38, Yeah the Twist is definately a different plane and out of the two that I planted neither one has grown into a new plane yet.....[>:] I'm still waiting and will continue to fly the Do in the mean time. [8D]

Jim Tucker,

I'm now on my fourth Twist (and have ordered a fifth) and my FIRST Can Do .46--I have a Can Do .60, too. NEITHER of those birds BEGINS to compare with the Twist, in my estimation, for pure acrobatics and 3D challenges. The Twist is a joy to fly. The Can Dos have their own grace, but not the dynamics of the Twist in my estimation. On low rates, the Twists could be a second plane for anyone. On high rates they challenge the best fliers to make that bird do what it can. The Can Dos are very flyable, easy to control, predictable, and float forever on landing. All plusses. But the Can Do is also heavier (better in high winds than the Twist) and often sluggish in the aerobatics. An experienced flier can handle the Twist EASILY in winds up to 25 kts, my opinion. I have.

At 99 bucks, there's not a better buy on the market than the Twist. The Can Dos, on the other hand, are NOT cheap and require special and costly hardware on board--if you follow specifications. I didn't, using the Futaba S3004 servos, standard. And in my experience Hangar 9 produces a consistently better ARF than Great Planes. Hangar 9 spoiled me--and I almost returned the UCD ARF to GP because of production problems.

But more than that, the Can Dos are simply not the challenge of the Twist. Good birds, for sure, but not the same.

I believe you've been to the RCUniverse forum on the Twist. If not, search Hangar 9 Twist and it ought to come up. Long thread.

Fly well.

Jack

HI Jack. Thanks for your informative answer to my question comparing the Twist to the UCD. Thanks to Rob, 38, and Doug, who answered also. I have seen you on other threads. Perhaps the Twist one. I really love the Twist. I am hoping that the UCD will take me to the next plateau of flying experience. I am hoping, that since it has a much longer body, it will be a little easier to control, at least with elevator, and rudder, because of the longer moment arm.

I have been using low rates on the Twist. When I started my high rates were the specified low rates and my low rates were 70% of the specified low rates. Should I start the UCD at these same low, low rates?

The Twist in not currently available but Horizon said it should be back in stock in late January. I concur with your comment about initial product quality. I think both ARF's are amazing for what you get for your dollar, but Hanger 9, in my opinion, is superior. If they ever come out with a Twist 60 or 120 I'll buy 10 of them!

Whoops. Got away from the fact that this is a UCD forum. Sorry. I am up north for the holidays, but will be back in Florida in a few weeks. Expect that my new UCD/82 will see the maiden sometime in January.

Merry Christmas and a Happy, Prosperous new year to all the great contributors on this list.

Jim Tucker

Tuck,

Wise to start on low rates. You can ALWAYS go to high rates after the first flights--or in the middle of them, but take off and land on low rates until you COMMAND the bird. If the bird commands YOU, you're in for a crash. Why begin THAT way?

There is a point in time, with this relationship among the pilot, the bird, and the wind, when the FINGERS do the thinking. The MIND disappears, and you have this incredible RELATIONSHIP, indefinable, which feeds the passion of flying.

It's just that simple-----and that complex.

I flew in southern Michigan yesterday. Home now. Thank you, Mike Lucier and Weak Signals, Toledo, Ohio.

Preflight well and fly long.

Jack

perkinsm
you missed a great day of flying Sunday. Sorry you couldn't make it. 45 degrees and partly sunny. No problems starting Saito.Got 3 flights in. nothing fancy. Felt good to play again. Winter in Ohio can be the pits.

Happy New Years to all. Keep your head down!

DougWill - Deb emailed me some pics. Looks like youins had alot of fun, loved to have been there. sorry to hear about Toms UCD and whatever Mark was flying.

Well, my new UCD is ready to go. I may try and maiden it this weekend, weather permitting. Same combo as my other, OS 91, 15X4W, etc. You planning on going out? Let me know and I'll try and meet you there.

Also, I'm about done putting together another electric 3D plane, which is a Katana Mini. I attached a pic. It should be a blast !!!

Pass the work around too, I'm planning on selling the Saito 72 that I had in my first UCD. It has about 10 flights on it. Thanks !!

Nice looking electric Perkinsm......... Nicest one I've seen.........[X(]

Pleasure to meet all of you, I live here in Miami FL, and I'm almost done completing my UCD. I have purchased a Futaba 7CAPS radio and will purchase the OS 91 today. My question to all is: Dual Rates and throw rates. I currently an ugly stick 40 flyer and don't consider myself very good, just average. I used to fly about 15 years ago, and just picked up the hobby again. (Yeah my wife is going to beat me!! LOL). I want to be able to control this beast and don't plan on doing any 3D anytime soon, just want to fly it around and keep it in one piece. Can anyone give me some pointers as to the setups. I would really appreciate it. Also, is the 91 going to make it any harder to fly than a 70?

Dcoy, Welcome. I have dual rates set up on mine but almost always end up flying it on high rates. I think it's because it's a slow flying plane and flying it on high really doesn't become a handfull like other planes. I had a Twist and when it was on high rates it was quite a handfull but not the UCDo [8D]

DCoy, and welcome to you. The only thing I fear with the UCD .46 with a .91 size engine and a new or rusty pilot is the speed. You'll want to make high speed passes then flick an elevator. Don't do it. The Can Do is NOT made for speed, not with such large control surfaces. I'd be sure to get thicker control arms, DuBros are fine, the Futaba STANDARD arms are NOT, too thin. The problem is where the arms meet the control rods. Oil will stick to them and dust to that, making a fine grit which enlarges those standard arm holes--creating slop--and danger for those surfaces. I've never HEARD my control surfaces "buzz" as they reportedly do with too much speed and too much slop, and never hope to.

Keep her slow and on low rates. When you're ready, set your high rates with about minus 50 expo, so the centers will be soft, but you'll still get extreme throws when you throw the pins all the way over or up and down. Learn that fine radio well--and setting expos. I never used expos for a year--and I could have, should have.

The UCD CAN be a marvelous second plane, very forgiving, floats forever, but if you stall it at two feet off the ground, expect trouble. FLY her into the landing, keep the speed up until you are just inches from the runway, THEN cut the throttle--and you'll never, ever have a problem with that bird. Today I flew my Can Do, with a .61 OS FX in 10 mph winds, 23 mph gusts, over snow, onskiis. Great fun.

Yet, unlike the Ugly Stik, the Can Do has to be flown all the time. It won't correct for you, no dyhedral in the wings. Be prepared for that.

Best wishes, good flying,

Jack

Dcow, welcome to ucd heaven, ok ok that my be a little much but if you set it up to reccomended throws youll be ok and this plane will fly great, i believe my first words when i maidened mine the first time was"WOW".
youll love it and dont be nervous, this is the easiest plane to fly and land

hey Rob, got my stuff for my 60 size yesterday, now all i need is for my 125 to show up and ill be hovering again(and maybe if i get brave il fly upside down)

DCoy70 ... As was said above... The "Do" does alot well!! She's an easy flying
model.. Will float "forever" and lands great!! No real bad habits... Just set your
throws at the suggested min. then move up from there... The "Do" is not a speed
plane... She loves flying low and slow and landing light which she will easily let
you do... As with any 3D type plane.. They like to be landed easily and on its
wheels:-)... I think you'll enjoy the "Do"

My V2 is just about ready:-))))..... But still waiting on the post office on the "Do"
So not much flying except for training of a member....
I took my 4* out a few days ago... and even with the small surfaces... She was
jerking around some... Man. You really do get use to the easy flying of a trainer...
Plus I think I got use to the S-100 power I had in her:-(((.... The Mag just does
not cut it anymore....

Hope all had a GREAT Holiday Season!!!

I've read this entire thread. Wow. The UCD seems like a great airplane. I'm thinking about getting one. What engine, colors, etc. would you use.
Thanks
Bud

does anyone have any input about using a OS 46 AX with a u can do 46 and what size prop would serve this best?

I've heard the 46AX isn't really enough to fly this bird in full 3D. But I think the best prop would be a 12.25 x 3.75 if you want to try. It will fly it, just not the best.
Thanks
Bud

Raideron,

I don't know everything, and I've said it before, but when you change the model you're flying, you have to change THINKING. Trainer thinking and flying is NOT 3D model thinking and flying, so, as a sort of preflight, you watch th ailerons and elevators--those thin things suddenly become THICK, LONG things in 3D birds--and think of the difference in what happens in the air with those control surfaces. Embed the difference in your head and HANDS. Suddenly, hopefully, you make the adjustments.

A dead stick landing will be different; how far up and away you go may be different; how low you fly may be different. It's like a switch you change in your head, then watch how the bird flies, the perspectives often change, and colors change. What's bottom look like? What does it look like coming at you and going away.

This is a different bird you're flying. For me the challenge is successfully changing birds--and making each bird perform to its capacities--and making landings as if I hadn't changed a thing. That's when you know you have it together--as an RC pilot. Not many full sized pilots can do the same, changing 5 birds in one day Most RATED pilots aren't that competent (remember speed over the fence, percent of flaps, stall speeds....)--because the complexities are impossible, or nearly so, but in RC we can do it--if we're good--and can change thinking and flying within minutes.

Best wishes for perfect landings, any model,

Jack

The other question i have about this Dazzler is that the instructions state to center the ailerons? should the ailerons be in line with the bottom of the wing or the top airfoil as the airfoil is not semetrical.

I also have a ucd 46 that is complete and never been flown. The more I read about this plane the more I have second thoughts as I have have read about serious flutter issues. I currently fly a super sportster 40 with a OS 46 AX and it rocks with a 11x6 prop.

steve04,
It's my belief that the wings on the UCD are fully semetrical. I think the ailerons should follow the middle of the wing. I think this plane lands a little better with a small amount of spoileron, especially when it's a bit windy.
I don't think the UCD is prone to flutter if you fly it slooooooow. Made for pure 3D thrills, not a speed demon. It will land easier than any plane you've flown if you bring it in slow and straight.
Great fun plane. If you fly on low rates, super easy to fly and land, if you fly on high rates, WOW!
Thanks
Bud

Dcoy70,
The 91 will be a great engine in the UCD46. I've read where others (raideron and gjeffers) are even flying this beauty with a Saito 100. They speak like it's awesome. You will be impressed with that engine. I would start with a APC 15x4W prop. This will keep the speed slow and the thrust high. This equals FUN. THis little jewel will fly wonderfully slow and will light up the sky when you want to start that 3D thing. Or....so I've heard. Neat airplanes. I can't imagine any true RCer without one of this babies. And Tower is offering them for $125 delivered right now.
Thanks
Bud

UCD60, Saito 125 = Fun. No, FUN!!!!!!!
Thanks
Bud

Nobody would be dumb enough to put the Saito 125 in the 46...would they?
Thanks
Bud

Hey Jack,

That's for sure on model changes.... Your thumbs do tend to forget about those "BIG"
surfaces when your just flying the club members trainer.. take-off, landing and some
inbetween, while training him... My "Do" met it's maker a while back due to a bad
battery wire(solder joint at the battery) after a long good history... A replacement will
soon be back up... well as soon as the post office pays for the wing they broke in
shipment... And I should maiden my OMP V2 46 this weekend...


steve04... I draw a line down the center of the wing tip and set the ail.. and if they are
a little off, I error towards the down side of the wing for the first flt...
On the flutter issue on the "Do".... That's never happened to me... But I fly "slow" and
my surfaces are sealed and tight... Well, they were
The 46AX will fly the "Do"..... But it will not 3d it.... I think the "Do" really likes the S-82
for it's weight and power... But Man the S-100 makes the "Do" fly by itself.... But it "was"
still in the testing mode to see how the air frame would hang together.. I only had about
15 flts. with the 100 init... But WoW!!!! it would hang on the 16X4W prop forever at about
1/4 throttle or less:-))))

CofG... Red, White and Blue:-))..... S-82...... Or be an airframe tester with the S-100))
I think with the 125.... you could just leave the stick at idle:-) ... to do it all... But you
may only have one flt. with the vibration :-0...

Raideron, what is this OMP V2 you speak of? Got a picture? I don't know if I should get excited with you or not.
Jack