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11-09-2005 | 10:48 AM
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Hello guys. Just wanted to see what you think about the stinginess of the local club here. The Tyler Modelers Club (here on TMC) has proclaimed that they will not allow participation in sanctioned events by local AMA holding enthusiasts here unless specifically invited.
TMC shares a flying field in a park with other flyers at Tyler, Texas. The city has graciously allowed the club to reside at this park as a group and allows individuals to fly the park with a permit. TMC has in place rules that discriminate by location who is allowed to fly there as guests. Simply put the rules do not allow anyone within a 50 mile radius of the park to fly as guests of TMC’s members and restricts permit holders from participating in TMC events or in sectioned events.
TMC’s position is very unbecoming to the spirit of this hobby and AMA’s directives IMO.
What are your opinions?
11-09-2005 | 11:54 AM
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Hi,
I'm not sure what the problem is.
As long as the sanction, "C" if I remember, lists any restrictions, they can put any restrictions on their event that they want. It's done all the time; AMA sanctions an event but the participants must be IMAA members, or only warbirds are allowed to fly, IMAC, etc.
As far as the 50 mile rule, they want people to join and pay dues, and not get to use the field for "free". However, anyone not wanting to join can get a permit and still fly at the field, as I understand your post, so what's the issue?
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I'm not sure what the problem is.
As long as the sanction, "C" if I remember, lists any restrictions, they can put any restrictions on their event that they want. It's done all the time; AMA sanctions an event but the participants must be IMAA members, or only warbirds are allowed to fly, IMAC, etc.
As far as the 50 mile rule, they want people to join and pay dues, and not get to use the field for "free". However, anyone not wanting to join can get a permit and still fly at the field, as I understand your post, so what's the issue?
BRG,
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11-09-2005 | 02:13 PM
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Actually, if people have a permit to fly at the park...how can they have an AMA sanctioned event?
I mean, if a non-club member shows up and wants to fly, in a public park where he has a permit to do so, what is going to stop him from doing so? The AMA doesn't own the park right?
I mean, if a non-club member shows up and wants to fly, in a public park where he has a permit to do so, what is going to stop him from doing so? The AMA doesn't own the park right?
11-09-2005 | 02:32 PM
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You seem to have left some information of consequence out of your post, or are unaware of it. A few minutes on Google turned up a site for the club. It seems the club has a lease on the property. The permits are addressed in another City document turned up on Google and the permits are apparently available only for special events.
It also appears that the lease does include a clause that prohibits those within 50 miles from flying without membership or a permit. Model flying is generally prohibited in the parks of Tyler. It would appear that the club got caught in a catch 22 over the sanctioned events.
The club site also makes clear that club monies and labor are largely responsible for the current condition of the site.
http://www.tylermodelers.com/
http://www.cityoftyler.org/uploads/0...elAircraft.pdf
You seem to have left some information of consequence out of your post, or are unaware of it. A few minutes on Google turned up a site for the club. It seems the club has a lease on the property. The permits are addressed in another City document turned up on Google and the permits are apparently available only for special events.
It also appears that the lease does include a clause that prohibits those within 50 miles from flying without membership or a permit. Model flying is generally prohibited in the parks of Tyler. It would appear that the club got caught in a catch 22 over the sanctioned events.
The club site also makes clear that club monies and labor are largely responsible for the current condition of the site.
http://www.tylermodelers.com/
http://www.cityoftyler.org/uploads/0...elAircraft.pdf
11-09-2005 | 03:18 PM
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After reading the links JR posted, I understand the position they are in. However, I feel they should do one of the following:
1: let ALL AMA members (non club members) participate in sanctioned events who reside inside the 50 mile radius, or
2: Don't let ANY AMA members (non club members) participate in sanctioned events who reside inside the 50 mile radius
get rid of the "invitation only" clause, it makes them sound like a bunch of Biggots. JMHO.
1: let ALL AMA members (non club members) participate in sanctioned events who reside inside the 50 mile radius, or
2: Don't let ANY AMA members (non club members) participate in sanctioned events who reside inside the 50 mile radius
get rid of the "invitation only" clause, it makes them sound like a bunch of Biggots. JMHO.
11-09-2005 | 09:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: F106A
They want people to join and pay dues, and not get to use the field for "free".
They want people to join and pay dues, and not get to use the field for "free".
Actually it is the permit holders (about twenty) flying there that is really paying the city some serious cash. It is the club that resides there next to free!
ORIGINAL: JR
You seem to have left some information of consequence out of your post, or are unaware of it.
You seem to have left some information of consequence out of your post, or are unaware of it.
Actually JR you have misinterpreted or miscalculated the actual circumstances. I have worked closely with the city and the club in all aspects as it relates to these issues.
Actually I wanted to know: What is your opinion of a club that desires to restrict otherwise qualified AMA members from participating in AMA sanctioned events? Or restricts members from having guests from the local area?
The above is the FACT that I wanted your opinion of.
ORIGINAL: JR
It also appears that the lease does include a clause that prohibits those within 50 miles from flying without membership or a permit.
It also appears that the lease does include a clause that prohibits those within 50 miles from flying without membership or a permit.
That is most certainly not the case!! Absolutely not!!!!
If you have made your interpretation from the club's website I can understand the mistake, since they do twist and construe any information to appear as they have a superior right to that park or that they are required some compliance that prohibits certain flying or flyers. The city does not and has not ever mandated any such restrictions...all restrictions, at hand here, are completely at the will of TMC.
ORIGINAL: JR
The club site also makes clear that club monies and labor are largely responsible for the current condition of the site.
The club site also makes clear that club monies and labor are largely responsible for the current condition of the site.
No doubt the club has given considerable time and money to the upkeep and material asset improvements to the flying field...no argument there. But it is the voluntary position of the club to do so...not a requirement.
But…BIG BUT…with all that being said the city has given many times more to maintain and keep the site usable.
The city lease, which I know very well, does give TMC the right to construct and make improvements but only with the city's approvals. All improvements...even putting fertilizer out has to be approved by the city.
This field was in use by the general public as a flying field long before the TMC bunch showed up. The RECENT lease acquisition by TMC has with the city absolutely and emphatically RESERVES the right for public use to continue.
Key word RECENT!!
The TMC club was flying at the park without a lease for quite awhile before they decided to make a push for all the bananas. TMC previously had a lease but allowed it to expire and did not feel the need to renew since it did not convey much control and since the city allowed use by the public without charge… they did not feel the need to have a lease in place until RECENTLY.
The recent attempt or acquisition of lease almost completely backfired on them and as a result has set back model aviation considerably in Tyler Texas. Also, as a result of their actions, they feel the pressure of the entire area of enthusiasts desiring to fly at the only park available for such activities. They were much better off before they tried to dupe the city into giving them exclusive use right to the park but…oh well…
FACT…YES…Actually it was TMC that caused the city to review flying in city parks and ultimately pass ordinance to prohibit flying at city parks altogether except by permit or lease issued by the city for the park in question.
As a negotiating strategy of TMC the city was informed by TMC just how dangerous model aircraft are in hopes of showing the city how they and AMA is a panacea for such activities. The results were that the city almost outlawed model flying altogether in Tyler Texas for everyone including TMC but finally settled on the ordinance we NOW have.
Footnote: the city register shows Northfield Park as for model flying field only.
ORIGINAL: JR
It would appear that the club got caught in a catch 22 over the sanctioned events.
It would appear that the club got caught in a catch 22 over the sanctioned events.
The position/policy is purely voluntary of TMC and not mandated by the city in any way, shape or form!!!
Once again I will ask...What is your opinion of a club that desires to restrict otherwise qualified AMA members from participating in AMA sanctioned events? Or restricts members from having guests from the local area?
11-09-2005 | 10:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf
Hmmm... Could that be?????????
Actually it is the permit holders (about twenty) flying there that is really paying the city some serious cash. It is the club that resides there next to free!
Not at all! Just was not trying to go there!!! But since you want to know more………………
Actually JR you have misinterpreted or miscalculated the actual circumstances. I have worked closely with the city and the club in all aspects as it relates to these issues.
Actually I wanted to know: What is your opinion of a club that desires to restrict otherwise qualified AMA members from participating in AMA sanctioned events? Or restricts members from having guests from the local area?
The above is the FACT that I wanted your opinion of.
Where did you get that information?
That is most certainly not the case!! Absolutely not!!!!
If you have made your interpretation from the club's website I can understand the mistake, since they do twist and construe any information to appear as they have a superior right to that park or that they are required some compliance that prohibits certain flying or flyers. The city does not and has not ever mandated any such restrictions...all restrictions, at hand here, are completely at the will of TMC.
Not exactly true....
No doubt the club has given considerable time and money to the upkeep and material asset improvements to the flying field...no argument there. But it is the voluntary position of the club to do so...not a requirement.
But…BIG BUT…with all that being said the city has given many times more to maintain and keep the site usable.
The city lease, which I know very well, does give TMC the right to construct and make improvements but only with the city's approvals. All improvements...even putting fertilizer out has to be approved by the city.
This field was in use by the general public as a flying field long before the TMC bunch showed up. The RECENT lease acquisition by TMC has with the city absolutely and emphatically RESERVES the right for public use to continue.
Key word RECENT!!
The TMC club was flying at the park without a lease for quite awhile before they decided to make a push for all the bananas. TMC previously had a lease but allowed it to expire and did not feel the need to renew since it did not convey much control and since the city allowed use by the public without charge… they did not feel the need to have a lease in place until RECENTLY.
The recent attempt or acquisition of lease almost completely backfired on them and as a result has set back model aviation considerably in Tyler Texas. Also, as a result of their actions, they feel the pressure of the entire area of enthusiasts desiring to fly at the only park available for such activities. They were much better off before they tried to dupe the city into giving them exclusive use right to the park but…oh well…
FACT…YES…Actually it was TMC that caused the city to review flying in city parks and ultimately pass ordinance to prohibit flying at city parks altogether except by permit or lease issued by the city for the park in question.
As a negotiating strategy of TMC the city was informed by TMC just how dangerous model aircraft are in hopes of showing the city how they and AMA is a panacea for such activities. The results were that the city almost outlawed model flying altogether in Tyler Texas for everyone including TMC but finally settled on the ordinance we NOW have.
Footnote: the city register shows Northfield Park as for model flying field only.
So very wrong!!!...Definitely the wrong interpretation and emphatically NOT true!!!
The position/policy is purely voluntary of TMC and not mandated by the city in any way, shape or form!!!
Once again I will ask...What is your opinion of a club that desires to restrict otherwise qualified AMA members from participating in AMA sanctioned events? Or restricts members from having guests from the local area?
ORIGINAL: F106A
They want people to join and pay dues, and not get to use the field for "free".
They want people to join and pay dues, and not get to use the field for "free".
Actually it is the permit holders (about twenty) flying there that is really paying the city some serious cash. It is the club that resides there next to free!
ORIGINAL: JR
You seem to have left some information of consequence out of your post, or are unaware of it.
You seem to have left some information of consequence out of your post, or are unaware of it.
Actually JR you have misinterpreted or miscalculated the actual circumstances. I have worked closely with the city and the club in all aspects as it relates to these issues.
Actually I wanted to know: What is your opinion of a club that desires to restrict otherwise qualified AMA members from participating in AMA sanctioned events? Or restricts members from having guests from the local area?
The above is the FACT that I wanted your opinion of.
ORIGINAL: JR
It also appears that the lease does include a clause that prohibits those within 50 miles from flying without membership or a permit.
It also appears that the lease does include a clause that prohibits those within 50 miles from flying without membership or a permit.
That is most certainly not the case!! Absolutely not!!!!
If you have made your interpretation from the club's website I can understand the mistake, since they do twist and construe any information to appear as they have a superior right to that park or that they are required some compliance that prohibits certain flying or flyers. The city does not and has not ever mandated any such restrictions...all restrictions, at hand here, are completely at the will of TMC.
ORIGINAL: JR
The club site also makes clear that club monies and labor are largely responsible for the current condition of the site.
The club site also makes clear that club monies and labor are largely responsible for the current condition of the site.
No doubt the club has given considerable time and money to the upkeep and material asset improvements to the flying field...no argument there. But it is the voluntary position of the club to do so...not a requirement.
But…BIG BUT…with all that being said the city has given many times more to maintain and keep the site usable.
The city lease, which I know very well, does give TMC the right to construct and make improvements but only with the city's approvals. All improvements...even putting fertilizer out has to be approved by the city.
This field was in use by the general public as a flying field long before the TMC bunch showed up. The RECENT lease acquisition by TMC has with the city absolutely and emphatically RESERVES the right for public use to continue.
Key word RECENT!!
The TMC club was flying at the park without a lease for quite awhile before they decided to make a push for all the bananas. TMC previously had a lease but allowed it to expire and did not feel the need to renew since it did not convey much control and since the city allowed use by the public without charge… they did not feel the need to have a lease in place until RECENTLY.
The recent attempt or acquisition of lease almost completely backfired on them and as a result has set back model aviation considerably in Tyler Texas. Also, as a result of their actions, they feel the pressure of the entire area of enthusiasts desiring to fly at the only park available for such activities. They were much better off before they tried to dupe the city into giving them exclusive use right to the park but…oh well…
FACT…YES…Actually it was TMC that caused the city to review flying in city parks and ultimately pass ordinance to prohibit flying at city parks altogether except by permit or lease issued by the city for the park in question.
As a negotiating strategy of TMC the city was informed by TMC just how dangerous model aircraft are in hopes of showing the city how they and AMA is a panacea for such activities. The results were that the city almost outlawed model flying altogether in Tyler Texas for everyone including TMC but finally settled on the ordinance we NOW have.
Footnote: the city register shows Northfield Park as for model flying field only.
ORIGINAL: JR
It would appear that the club got caught in a catch 22 over the sanctioned events.
It would appear that the club got caught in a catch 22 over the sanctioned events.
The position/policy is purely voluntary of TMC and not mandated by the city in any way, shape or form!!!
Once again I will ask...What is your opinion of a club that desires to restrict otherwise qualified AMA members from participating in AMA sanctioned events? Or restricts members from having guests from the local area?
Compelling points in your post...............
I didn't see anything re lease terms in the cited links that were exclusionary per some 50 mile proximity, but I may have missed something. My next question would be, if such terms are there, was it the City of Tyler that put them in there, or the club?
In the end, what I care about is is whether the policy is good for the club, good for AMA, or good for model aviation. It doesn't seem to favor the latter, so it doesn't gibe with my agenda.
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11-09-2005 | 10:55 PM
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RE: AMA sanctioned events stinginess
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OK, first, the answer to your question, assuming no specific club is involved and it is just a set of circumstances you describe. I think the club is foolish to impose such restrictions on a sanctioned event. Most sanctioned events are designed to raise money and discouraging participation is not real sharp. Having a policy that does not allow visitors from the area falls in the same category… not real sharp. Simply, it is not a club I would want to belong to. On the other hand, I believe that they should, as a club, be allowed to do what they want. In the case of the club near me I noted in this thread, it finally struck me that having all of these people in one place and not out there driving the other clubs and their members nuts is a good thing, in my opinion.
Now, back at the farmhouse… once again we have learned that it is rare that anyone posts all of the pertinent facts in their initial post. The sign below is posted on the TMC site. I will leave it for each reader to determine it’s meaning and consequences. That’s all the opinions I have unless the lease is posted.
OK, first, the answer to your question, assuming no specific club is involved and it is just a set of circumstances you describe. I think the club is foolish to impose such restrictions on a sanctioned event. Most sanctioned events are designed to raise money and discouraging participation is not real sharp. Having a policy that does not allow visitors from the area falls in the same category… not real sharp. Simply, it is not a club I would want to belong to. On the other hand, I believe that they should, as a club, be allowed to do what they want. In the case of the club near me I noted in this thread, it finally struck me that having all of these people in one place and not out there driving the other clubs and their members nuts is a good thing, in my opinion.
Now, back at the farmhouse… once again we have learned that it is rare that anyone posts all of the pertinent facts in their initial post. The sign below is posted on the TMC site. I will leave it for each reader to determine it’s meaning and consequences. That’s all the opinions I have unless the lease is posted.
11-10-2005 | 08:26 AM
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crankshaft: "Once again I will ask...What is your opinion of a club that desires to restrict otherwise qualified AMA members from participating in AMA sanctioned events? Or restricts members from having guests from the local area? "
As far as limiting guests within any specified distance, that too is Club Business. At my club, any individual residing within 100 miles of the club flying site may not be a guest more than three (3) times in any twelve (12) calendar months.
At our private club-owned facility, far too many cheap-skates wanted to be a "guest" every day, so we put a stop to it.
A member's house-guest can fly fourteen (14) days.
An individual outside 100 miles AND a member of another chartered club can fly eight (8) days.
Flying at any special club-event sanctioned or otherwise does NOT count under those limitations.
In summary, it's club business to operate as they see fit for their club. That is why there is a CLUB. [>:]
11-10-2005 | 10:33 AM
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In summary, it's club business to operate as they see fit for their club. That is why there is a CLUB. [>:]
In summary, it's club business to operate as they see fit for their club. That is why there is a CLUB. [>:]
Dagnabit golley gosh... I wish AMA would send me a decoder ring too. I would like to decode the obvious also.
ORIGINAL: barracudahockey
If your going to use someone's facilities on a regular basis then why is it so big a deal to kick in money for improvements and mowing?
If your going to use someone's facilities on a regular basis then why is it so big a deal to kick in money for improvements and mowing?
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ORIGINAL: Hossfly
My opinion is that a Club can do whatever the Club so desires. OTOH if the Club restricts AMA members from an AMA Sanctioned Event, and that event is NOT sanctioned "Cr" then any AMA member has the right to a formal complaint to AMA, which should then address the issue with the event's sponsor/host/Contest Director.
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crankshaft: "Once again I will ask...What is your opinion of a club that desires to restrict otherwise qualified AMA members from participating in AMA sanctioned events? Or restricts members from having guests from the local area? "
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The man asked what is right, not what is legal. Your reply is what would be expected from the ilk of the Billarys.
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11-10-2005 | 12:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: abel_pranger
C'mon Hoss-
The man asked what is right, not what is legal. Your reply is what would be expected from the ilk of the Billarys.
Abel
C'mon Hoss-
The man asked what is right, not what is legal. Your reply is what would be expected from the ilk of the Billarys.
Abel
If some individual knows that a club, group, and/or CD is restricting otherwise then take it up with the AMA.
That is RIGHT.
If a AMA chartered club makes rules/restrictions for that specific Club, then such is up to that club's members as long as it is within the directives of AMA.
I consider the above to provide 2 choices: 1) Join the club and try to make changes if they so need changing, and/or 2) Mind one's own business.
IMO that is the RIGHT thing and it does appear to be the legal thing. I don't see any need for any additional decoding.
11-10-2005 | 12:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf
Hello guys. Just wanted to see what you think about the stinginess of the local club here. The Tyler Modelers Club (here on TMC) has proclaimed that they will not allow participation in sanctioned events by local AMA holding enthusiasts here unless specifically invited.
TMC shares a flying field in a park with other flyers at Tyler, Texas. The city has graciously allowed the club to reside at this park as a group and allows individuals to fly the park with a permit. TMC has in place rules that discriminate by location who is allowed to fly there as guests. Simply put the rules do not allow anyone within a 50 mile radius of the park to fly as guests of TMC’s members and restricts permit holders from participating in TMC events or in sectioned events.
TMC’s position is very unbecoming to the spirit of this hobby and AMA’s directives IMO.
What are your opinions?
Hello guys. Just wanted to see what you think about the stinginess of the local club here. The Tyler Modelers Club (here on TMC) has proclaimed that they will not allow participation in sanctioned events by local AMA holding enthusiasts here unless specifically invited.
TMC shares a flying field in a park with other flyers at Tyler, Texas. The city has graciously allowed the club to reside at this park as a group and allows individuals to fly the park with a permit. TMC has in place rules that discriminate by location who is allowed to fly there as guests. Simply put the rules do not allow anyone within a 50 mile radius of the park to fly as guests of TMC’s members and restricts permit holders from participating in TMC events or in sectioned events.
TMC’s position is very unbecoming to the spirit of this hobby and AMA’s directives IMO.
What are your opinions?
"...has proclaimed that they will not allow ..." What is the wording of the proclamation? I've read all the responses and would like that bit of information.
Best wishes,
Dave Olson
11-10-2005 | 01:54 PM
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ORIGINAL: Hossfly
He asked for "OPINION". What I stated is my OPINION. Only "B" contests or Cr events can be restricted to any specific group of AMA members.
If some individual knows that a club, group, and/or CD is restricting otherwise then take it up with the AMA.
That is RIGHT.
He asked for "OPINION". What I stated is my OPINION. Only "B" contests or Cr events can be restricted to any specific group of AMA members.
If some individual knows that a club, group, and/or CD is restricting otherwise then take it up with the AMA.
That is RIGHT.
That's not opinion, it's a citation from the rules. I suspect you are capable of thinking for yourself, without having to be told how to think by rules somebody else has made up. I am, and my opinion is that this club's policy is WRONG.
If a AMA chartered club makes rules/restrictions for that specific Club, then such is up to that club's members as long as it is within the directives of AMA.
I consider the above to provide 2 choices: 1) Join the club and try to make changes if they so need changing, and/or 2) Mind one's own business.
IMO that is the RIGHT thing and it does appear to be the legal thing. I don't see any need for any additional decoding.
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11-10-2005 | 06:50 PM
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I always thought the restrictions were for the type of aircraft being flown, I guess I was wrong. Sounds like the rules allow the to discriminate against race, creed, color, sex, religion and whether your a kiss-a** or not, right Hoss. Hole #76
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ORIGINAL: Scar
What is the wording of the proclamation? I've read all the responses and would like that bit of information.
Best wishes,
Dave Olson
What is the wording of the proclamation? I've read all the responses and would like that bit of information.
Best wishes,
Dave Olson
http://www.tylermodelers.com/visitors.htm
BTW There is absolutly nothing in the lease that TMC has with the city that mandates the fifty mile rule or the event restrictions. All that stuff is just a chicken shift misdirection!
11-11-2005 | 04:22 AM
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Small Town.
One club.
Lets see here. Why would someone in that town NOT belong to the club ? Hmmm, don't tell us. We can figure it out, just give me a minute.
So they have events, and they wish to invite certain people, and not others...................Hmmm. Don't tell us why. We can figure it out.
My opinion : The club can kick out, refuse membership, or ban anyone that makes trouble. They aren't required to invite them to any events, dinners, or meetings.
I'm not speaking of you, Mr. Crankshaft. I don't even know you. But I would imagine there is someone, somewhere that is not likely to be welcome at that club. Wouldn't you agree ?
One club.
Lets see here. Why would someone in that town NOT belong to the club ? Hmmm, don't tell us. We can figure it out, just give me a minute.
So they have events, and they wish to invite certain people, and not others...................Hmmm. Don't tell us why. We can figure it out.
My opinion : The club can kick out, refuse membership, or ban anyone that makes trouble. They aren't required to invite them to any events, dinners, or meetings.
I'm not speaking of you, Mr. Crankshaft. I don't even know you. But I would imagine there is someone, somewhere that is not likely to be welcome at that club. Wouldn't you agree ?
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ORIGINAL: PilotFighter
Small Town.
One club.
Lets see here. Why would someone in that town NOT belong to the club ? Hmmm, don't tell us. We can figure it out, just give me a minute.
So they have events, and they wish to invite certain people, and not others...................Hmmm. Don't tell us why. We can figure it out.
My opinion : The club can kick out, refuse membership, or ban anyone that makes trouble. They aren't required to invite them to any events, dinners, or meetings.
I'm not speaking of you, Mr. Crankshaft. I don't even know you. But I would imagine there is someone, somewhere that is not likely to be welcome at that club. Wouldn't you agree ?
Small Town.
One club.
Lets see here. Why would someone in that town NOT belong to the club ? Hmmm, don't tell us. We can figure it out, just give me a minute.
So they have events, and they wish to invite certain people, and not others...................Hmmm. Don't tell us why. We can figure it out.
My opinion : The club can kick out, refuse membership, or ban anyone that makes trouble. They aren't required to invite them to any events, dinners, or meetings.
I'm not speaking of you, Mr. Crankshaft. I don't even know you. But I would imagine there is someone, somewhere that is not likely to be welcome at that club. Wouldn't you agree ?
11-11-2005 | 10:34 AM
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So I guess discriminating against everyone within the 7500 square mile area is ok with you
Actually I was at the membership meeting when the 50 mile rule was blurted into existence and ultimately passed. The actual rule goes on to state that guest must belong to another club beyond 50 miles and the guest will be required to show proof.
AMA members without club affiliation are not allowed to be a guest period.
NO!! I did not vote for such a rule but everyone else there did except for myself and one other.
Of course I left the meeting disgusted and have decided the club is not an organization I can support.
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But I would imagine there is someone, somewhere that is not likely to be welcome at that club. Wouldn't you agree ?
But I would imagine there is someone, somewhere that is not likely to be welcome at that club. Wouldn't you agree ?
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There may be one club in Tyler, but there are 4 more within the 50 mile radius. One rule says they can't fly there without joining or getting a park permit. Another rule states park permit holders can't fly at a sanctioned event. So, can someone without a park permit, non club member, who lives within the 50 mile radius, still fly at a sanctioed event? Ever come across this problem, LCS?
There may be one club in Tyler, but there are 4 more within the 50 mile radius. One rule says they can't fly there without joining or getting a park permit. Another rule states park permit holders can't fly at a sanctioned event. So, can someone without a park permit, non club member, who lives within the 50 mile radius, still fly at a sanctioed event? Ever come across this problem, LCS?
Actually I was at the membership meeting when the 50 mile rule was blurted into existence and ultimately passed. The actual rule goes on to state that guest must belong to another club beyond 50 miles and the guest will be required to show proof.
AMA members without club affiliation are not allowed to be a guest period.
NO!! I did not vote for such a rule but everyone else there did except for myself and one other.
Of course I left the meeting disgusted and have decided the club is not an organization I can support.
11-11-2005 | 11:05 AM
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Lets see here. Why would someone in that town NOT belong to the club ? Hmmm, don't tell us. We can figure it out, just give me a minute.
Lets see here. Why would someone in that town NOT belong to the club ? Hmmm, don't tell us. We can figure it out, just give me a minute.
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11-11-2005 | 11:10 AM
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You can probably go on to change the club, one way or another. The very real possibility is that the field will ultimately be closed to all. It is not worth the price to make the others conform.
The other thing you will find is that there are many others that agree with you. Most have probably joined other clubs in the area. That would be my suggestion to you. It is also what I did when confronted with the club out here that I wanted no part of. That was a couple of years ago. The club out here is in the process of imploding internally. The day will come for the club there. All one has to do is read the bylaws to see that the club is... well... different. Leave 'em alone and be glad they are all in one place.
You can probably go on to change the club, one way or another. The very real possibility is that the field will ultimately be closed to all. It is not worth the price to make the others conform.
The other thing you will find is that there are many others that agree with you. Most have probably joined other clubs in the area. That would be my suggestion to you. It is also what I did when confronted with the club out here that I wanted no part of. That was a couple of years ago. The club out here is in the process of imploding internally. The day will come for the club there. All one has to do is read the bylaws to see that the club is... well... different. Leave 'em alone and be glad they are all in one place.
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AMA members without club affiliation are not allowed to be a guest period.
