i was looking at some model sights and i found this biplane!!its called the wots wot it says its an ideal plane for anyone who can fly an aileron model!!.it says it uses the same semi symetrical airfoil as the wot 4 and has remarkable performance at very slow speeds .these planes are made by chriss fosse in the uk.the wots 4 has a great reputation as one of the best trainers and sports planes arround!!.[img][/img]i really like biplanes so i thought this might be a good choice for maybe a third plane as ive allready decided to build a dps spad for my second plane.has anyone seen the wots wot fly or does anyone know of it?.cheers guys.

Typically, biplanes are poor second planes, and maybe even third planes, depending upon the pilot. You need low wing experience and tail dragger experience first, and then you'll have to deal with the added drag and inherent instability at slow speeds found with most biplanes. I wouldn't recommend a biplane until you've been flying at least a year, maybe more depending upon pilot skill!

2slow...im not knocking you here...so dont take it that way...


He asked about a particular plane, not Bipes in generall...we all just got our foots placed in our mouths about warbirds by hanger 9...

That bipe -looks- like it has longer wings than most bipes...and its a semi-semitrical wing, flat bottom...

Again, not knocking you, but generalizing has got to go away .. modern planes/kits/arfs are getting better and being both "cool" and "flyable"

Martno1-

I haven't flown that particular plane, but I looked at someone's website who had owned one. He described it as having difficult ground handling, with a tendency to ground loop. I have flown a similar aerobatic biplane, an Andrews Aeromaster. The Wots Wot differs fom the Aeromaster in that it has fullly symetrical wings.

I really wouldn't recommend it as a second plane. Bipes tend to be a lot tougher to keep your visual orientation because of the two wings. They also need to be landed a little faster than a good low wing aerobatic trainer. I'd call it more of a third plane.

-Scott

Martno1fan,
What 2 cool said is very very true. Hold off on a bipe until you get at least your second plane all worn out.

RJM,
2slow hit the nail on the head. There are certain flight characteristics that ALL biplanes have. And one of those is a thing that makes them rough as second planes. That is they DO NOT float in for a landing. Every bipe I've ever flown (and that's about 8 different ones now) had to be flown in for a landing. Until a pilot it comfortable doing that a biplane is going to be more than a handful. Some biplanes are easier to land, but none of them will land like a trainer or a 4-star. Sorry.

Ken

thanks for that yes like i said i was asking for help or advice on this particular plane and as rjm pointed out it does have slightly longer wings and semisymetrical ones too.thats why they claim it flies well and lands slow just like the wot 4!!.i was really looking for anyone who has flown it or seen it fly.i know biplanes arent easy to fly normally but thats why this one interested me.i was really looking at it as my 3rd plane .im going to build the dps as a tail dragger for experience too!!.

Looks kind of like an Ultimate knock off. Good looking plane. I have flown two different bipes so far, one of them the ultimate and have found that the ultimate is the most forgiving. Others tell me that the ultimate flies so much easier than like a pitts or christin eagle. But as mentioned above, even the ultimate does not float in for landing, very bouncy, and has to be flown in. Very pretty in the air. I had been flying for over a year before I tried my first bipe. I heard all the stories of how hard they are to control straight down the runway, yep, all true, gotta learn that rudder control before you can manage a bipe (Tail dragger experience needed). My recommendation would be to build up to this plane and try a low wing trainer for your second or third plane instead. After all, this forum is about other people's opinions. Since you asked for it, there it is. Someone else's opinion may be different. Take them or leave them, but don't bash them (because they were solicited)

sorry i must have missed something i cant remember bashing anyone!!,im asking for someone who knows anything about this plane?.its a chriss fosse design ill think youll find hes been designing planes for 20 yrs or more and what i was trying to say is this bipes got the same semi simetrical wing as the wot4 which is used as a trainer over here by many!!.its not an ultimate knock off!!its just a design based arround his own semi simetrical wing design.all i have to go on so far is opinions of ultimates and a few others none of which have semi simetrical wings as far as i know?.correct me if im wrong and im not ignoring advice on the contrary its all welcome.

thanks scott could you post a link to the site you mentioned?.

Martno-

I didn't think you were bashing anyone. The link I saw was at http://www.pirespreto.com/wotswot.htm . I haven't studied the design in any great detail, but when I looked at the pic of the plane flying on that page, it looked like the wings were fully symmetrical.

Everyone so far has given advice based on general experience with bipes. No one so far has flown the plane you are interested in. If I were in your shoes, I would probably hold off on this plane as a second plane UNLESS some people who have actually flown it tell you it flies (and lands) easy enough for a relative beginner. I wouldn't believe what the manufacturer says, not that they aren't trustworthy.

-Scott

hi scot thanks i apreciate it and yes i do intend waiting i am allready thinking of a dps spad for a second plane!!.then i was thinking of a low wing like the acro wot[img][/img]heres a link to the wots wot[link]http://www.chrisfoss.co.uk/wotwotnote.htm[/link]have a look see what you think?.

Mr. Foss puts out some interesting looking planes. That Wot 4 looks like it would be a good second plane. I think your plan to build a SPAD DPS is a good one. That will be a fun plane to knock around and hone your skills. I think Stik-type planes are great.

-Scott

glad i got something right lol!!,yes the wot4 is a great plane from what ive heard,but i think if i get the hang of flying the dps as a tail dragger ill be hopefully be ready for that bipe!!!.providing the flight characteristics are as good as stated.no doubt someone somewhere has one of these so ill just keep waiting and searching and finding out more.id even be willing to scratch build something if anyone has any plans for something similar.i think i saw one i liked the sound of called the panic bipe but ive yet to find the plans!!.who knows maybe i can modify the dps into one i know theres a debonaire bipe!!.i guess i just like bipes lol.hmm how about a tiger moth lol!!!decisions lol!!!.

I did not think you (or anyone) was bashing. My comments were directed towards the type of comments RJM was making.

I'm sorry I couldn't help you.... Best of luck.

ok twistr no probs thnx for trying .

go get one and fly it! Aferall, it can't be that hard, can it?

It's your $$$

Good luck..

This is my opinion for a second plane. First of all, I would stay away from bi-planes until you get used to a taildragger. Some are bears to handle on the ground. As for a second plane,,,,,,,,,, I like the u-can-do 60 size and heres why, this plane could be your 2nd, 3rd and maybe you 4th depending on what type of flying your gonna be doin. the plane on low rates just floats and floats and it is a very hard plane to stall. It handles great on take offs and landing it was one of the easiest that I've flown. To me, its a perfect lo-wing trainer. as you progress, set it on high rates and hang on cause it is a blast to fly. It will do most all aerobatics you can throw at it. I had a 91fx on mine and flew the #!&% out of it. Its a very forgiving plane and nicely built . Read some reviews on it if its the type of plane you like. even if you dont make it your second plane, add it to your hangar, I dont think you would be disappointed!!



If you pulled the wings off a fly, would it make it a walk?

sheers mate i have seen the u cando before and it looks cool,i think they do a 40 size too and i think that would be the one id go for!!.i didnt realise th u cando was so forgiving thanks for the tip.i do like the idea of having a plane that will fly normal airobatics with a bit of prop hanging thrown in too.i still like this bipe though lol.

do i sense a bit of sarcasm there two slow lol!!!.

whups, guess I laid it on a little too thick????

MARTNO1FAN, the main difference is that BIPES need for you to be active on the throttle lever during landing approaches, you have to be vigilant about airspeed because they slow down much faster than a single winged plane. If you want the plane, then get it! Just consider yourself a temporary student again and fly it with an instructor until you get the hang of it. I think a great choice for a low time pilot would be the GOLDBERG ULTIMATE with a .60 engine, very easy to fly.

the wots wot is easy to fly,just because it's a bipe doesn't make it difficult,the ground handling is excellent if you know how to use a rudder,it's all common sense at the end of the day,i have flown all of chris foss's kits and there isn't a bad one among them.

WEll, now im long mastered after the trainer. And i was planing to build a WWI Bipe kit. It has trainer flying characterisitcs and great scale looks, not as crazy as that plane though.

cheers mate just what i was hoping for ,at last someone who has flown it .i was trying to tell peoplethat its suposed to be easy to fly with no bad habits but its hard to beleive for some especially if they havent seen this plane?.chriss fosse has a great reputaition and i like his planes.i was thinking of the acro wot 1st but then saw the wots wot and i really like biplanes i was tempted to get it .so would you say shes a good second plane ?.as i dont have experience with tail draggers i was thinking of changing my trainer to one for experience.have you got any pics of youres i can look at?any help or tips you can give me about it would be great cheers!!.

Build one of the "Stik" ARF's first as a tail dragger (some of them come with the hardware included). My GP Big Stik .60 has given me much pleasure as a first time areobatic taildragger.
It's a verry forgiving plane, and with the OS .65 LA it has provided the ideal 2nd plane experience.