Hi everyone! I am building my first kit, a Sig Somethin Extra. I have 6 planes and have built one of them. I have a NexStar rtf, a balsa usa swizzle stick, a spad SPA3D( I built this one form just instructions but no balsa or covering) a kyosho pitts speacial arf( bought this off a club member already assembled, and two planes that i dont know what they are. i have only flown the nexstar but the spad is maidening next weekend. I know that every now and then you guys curse and I really dont want yall cussin' none(hopefully ken can help monitar this) and im gonna need TONS of help so hopfully yall can provide this. But Im tryin to get yall interested now so I canget tons of people to post alot( im tryin to beat kiswa who at this time has 1190 posts[>:]) But itll be awile befor im buildin [&o] because I gotta get my mom and dad to help clean out the garage so I can build my work shop. So I guess this is a Workshop AND SSE build. I also dont have the kit yet so I have to get that from my LHS. I m thinkin Im gonna put a GMS .61 on it. Will this engine give it unlimited vertical? I GOTTA HAVE UNLIMETED VERTICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![sm=bananahead.gif][sm=biggrin.gif] No really! I need it. So everyone post and stuff and Ill start building in 2-3 weeks. But still make comments. Oh yeah...Darn it...You know when you have someting but then its gone[:@]...oh well...itll be back... Oh got it[sm=RAINFRO.gif]. I alSO WANNA USE KISWA'S TRIM-AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH- dont you hate caps lock...anyway I wanna use Kiswas trim scheme so if hes reading this it would be nice if he could post measurements for all the varius colors also I may use Kens method of putting the covering together in a sheet in stead of layer by layer and then attaching it all at once im just typing incessently arent i? I think I better stop as I have to go to bed.
cya, By the way when re: ing to my posts call me karter(its shorter then go-kartowner)

Cmon, people I got close to 30 hits and no replies!!!! THATS WIKITY-WACK!!!!! (Dont ask) You guys gotta post!!! For goodness sake!! I aint building yet But I hope to start next weekend or weekend after that( I gotta build a shop in my messy garage heres where its goin')A few pics here g2g to bed Ill post tomorow after school(about 3:30-4)
Karter

Ease up on the caffeine pal. It will help stop your hands from shaking and make it easier to build. [sm=lol.gif]

first off...... if you want any one to read this thread in detail u need to chill with the !!! and the smillies.... that said, putting a .61 prolly wont give u unlimited vertical... the SE is a heavy plane when finished (i have 2) id try and cram a .75 in there... or if you dare, a JETT .90 :-D

all that said, the SE is a very easy build you shouldent need all that much help with it. Especialy with the high quality of sig insructions. you will fly through it.

my sugestions are as follows
glue: waterproof woodglue (i like elmers wood glue but whatever)
30 min epoxy as well as a suply of milled glass (i like using milled glass as it greatly increases the strengt of the mix, but it is optional, the epoxy however is NOT optional!)
CA? no, its evil... it really is

dont be skimpy on blades (xacto blades, i use #11)

sand sand sand sand sand... and when you think that its smother than a babbys bottom... sand more. (250 grit, 400 grit and 600 grit for finishing)

make sure you have a flat board that you can stick pins into. i use a ceailing tile (2'X4') put ur plans over it and cover them with wax paper. if u dont have wax paper use plastic wrap, but wax papper is HIGHLY recomended over plastic especialy if u deside to use CA

try not to skip ahead in the book because u think you know whats next (been there done that) it usualy ends up with u ripping peices apart or having to fabricate new peices...

if the instructions say to do somthing one way, odds are that the way you want to do it probably wont work as well. <- done that too

above all dont build 2 left wings.... you laugh now... but when you do it youll hit yourself real hard (fourtunatly wit hthe SE the wing is 100% symetcical and wont matter... but it will on most planes)

No it isn't! Don't tell him that!!

The peg that stops the wing from revolving isn't exactly in the middle of the section so it makes a difference which way round the inner most rib is installed.

Apart from that, yes, it's easy to build!

-David C.

Good advice! My kit was missing plans for the wings. So I figured "No problem I'll start on the fuse" Well I missed the part called FUSELAGE SUB-ASSEMBLIES. That made it a lot more difficult to prepare the firewall when it was already mounted!

Caffiene...Caffiene... Need Caffiene! Also if you look at the pics they are pretty blurry(its a good camera so not its fault)

No seriosly I was just majorly hyperactive (you know how kids get...yeah...I'm only ten (times 3) so so I'm like that sometimes to l already knew about the ceiling tile. goin to order the kit in the next few days if I get the order in to the LHS by wednesday itll be here friday (or maybe its tuesday i have to order by) and I'm also makin a Lowes run on saturday to get stuff to build my shop. if it wernt 400 bucks I might get a jett 90. By the way does anyone know what the plane in the middle pic is? its pre 1985 so this should probably be in antique forum but I thought id ask. Here's kiswas color scheme. And the end product. Sweet. I hope mine looks this good. and I know yall like pics so there will be plenty!

Edit: whoops tiny pics ill see if i can fix that.

Edit 2: To many pics! Get rid of tiny three...thats it

Edit 3:by the plane in the middle I meant the one in the 2nd post not kiswas SSE im not that dumb(yeah right)

What engine do you think would give this plane unlimeted verticle? How much does the SSE weigh completed? Would a GMS .76 be enough?Or should i go bigger?
Karter

Plane looks like it may be a Goldberg Eagle 2
http://www.carlgoldbergproducts.com/eagle2.htm

You have at least a week of garage cleaning ahead of you and YOU should do most of the cleaning if you want your parents to respect YOUR shop area.

Re-read Kiswa's thread and RCKen's LT-40 thread for good ideas on how to approach this building project.

We'll be watching, and commenting as needed.

PS - take better care of your planes. They appear to be scattered around in a trash dump. Find a way to store them safely. No offense intended.

As far as your engine choice, I know you want unlimited vertical but a 60-70 2 stroke just seems like way too much overkill for a SE. Both of mine (RIP) had a 46 FX and it had excellent vertical performance, it wasn't unlimited but it was pretty close. A better choice (if you have the funds) would be an OS 70 Four Stroke. It's a much better fit than a big 2 stroke, plus my dad has one in his 40 size tiger and with the right prop it will climb and climb and climb...

I have had two SE's with Saito 72's and it's a perfect match, although, the YS 63 seems to be a great combination too.

-David C.

And CA isnt evil...its just a different workflow...

Wood glue gives you time to move everything slowly into place and remove it if you see a problem

CA requires your stuff to be right before using it, cause once its in....its in

I read Kiswas thread to around 950 when he completed the plane then it turned into general SSE thread. And bruce Iv been designing a storage and haulin rack I just havent built it yet. Also going to store them in my shop but great lot of help that is now. Ill go read RCKen's LT tread roght now. Wow what a power difference you guys are saying os .70, 1.2 HP;saito .72, around 1.3 HP; YS .63, dont know HP and Im sitting here wondering if a GMS .76, 2.5 HP will give it unlimeted. Does the SE have enough rudder and elevator authority to hover well? And to add to the cofusion I just learned that we are having a party on sunday! So I guess I wont be flying or garage cleaning then and saturday is mow/rake lawn scrape driveway (gravel) and clean house day. Whoop-tee-doo![:'(]. Maybe I can at least order the kit and look at it till I can start building...Oh well...might as well start cleaning the garage I'm home from work with pinkeye. Buh-bye.
Karter

I have a Tower .75 in my SSE and i can gaurantee that it will not have unlimited vertical. I haven't flown it yet but the SSE is just too heavy, and the .75 is the max that you can fit in the plane. I had the OS .50 in my first SSE, and it pulled it along very well but no where near unlimited vertical. Unlimited vertical is one thing, but having the power to pull out of a hover is another. If you want unlimited vertical pick a different plane that's lighter. Just my thoughts.

Ok then Ill reword. Will it have enough power to pull out of a hover easily? and i mean really easily wit ha GMS .76. Also the GMS has .3 HP more than the tower engine. thats alot when the engines are this small.

Here are the GMS dimensions/specs if you didn't already have them.

http://www.mecoa.com/gms/specs.htm

is it really?? wow i missed that in the plans,ignore me :-p

CA also doesent soak in the way wood glue does because of its fast cure rate, making it weaker.

As for hovering, no the Somethin Extra doesn't have enough rudder authority to hover. Not sure about the elevator, but i doubt it. It's really not a 3D machine, its more of a fun fly plane. I built both of mine stock and they would do everything in the book except knife edge and 3D. I've heard enlarging the rudder will make knife edge better. So you really don't need the unlimited veritcal as this isn't a 3D plane. I'd go with the OS 46 or a 70 FS. Then stick the 76 into a more 3D capable plane but it's up to you! It'll be a blast to fly no matter what engine is in it.

My main thing with using the os 46 is that is comes in LA and AX, LA .46=$68; AX .46=$115; GMS .76=$100 By the way what does ps mean like on the output of the AX it says "1.65ps" I just know that the LA has VERY low power. I put one on a spa3d and it did not have enough power to fly level, it wouldnt hover but it just harriered constantly. With a GMS .47(2 bucks more) it will hover at half throttle. The GMS engines provide crazy power once you seal them with silicone. Also they have way better comprression than the LA(not sure about AX) it took a fully charged car battery to start my GMS but I could start the LA with a 1/4 charged field box battery. The AX may provide the needed power but it costs more; I can get more bang for my buck with the GMS. I mean, the SE has strong wings dont it? So it would be hard to rip them off right? They should stay on pretty good even doing high G manuevars right? Now, plz tell me if im wrong, cause Im just assukming considering its a sig and they are pretty strong airplanes.
karter

yes, the wings are very strong as are most sig wings (i love sig kits... im partial i no) BUT! its also VERY thickwhich will cause more sheer stress due to a larger crossectional area. however a .70 ish engine should be well in the means of the plane. if you are worried about it laminate the main spars with light CF cloth. ive never used a GMS so i cant comment on it, but ive used several OS engines and am not blown away by them. yea, they start with a cylinder full of sand, but who cares? they cant turn the prop. (ive started using magnums since they seem to be built much better, though they dont greatly outpower the OS's they are cheaper :-D (my spitfire is running a mag 1.10 the engine cost less than that LA 46 :-D

Alright Iv decided to stick with the GMS, cheaper, more power. Also i ordered the kit today from the LHS (mine is actually called Lexington Hobby Shop-wierd) and it should be in early next week. I am cleaning out the garage on sayturday and hopefully building the shop sat.
Karter

Take your time on the building table. FLAT is very important.

Also I was thinking of doing one mod. Making counters on the rudder and elevator. I saw a thread where a guy cut off about half his vert stab and connected it to his rudder might this help the knife edge some? also may get some balsa and and add few inches to the vert stab and hoiz. stab. But just a thought. This is my first build but I want it to perform good. So Il see what you guys say. Also mowed the lawn and blew the leaves off the drive so its ready for scraping tomorrow, 2 lees things i half to do Sat. Friday I half to get on the roof and do something for the wife.
Karter

Wife? Home from work with pink eye? That's a lot to expect from an 11 year old.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=3824217

Please, just stick with the truth. We will still be happy to respect you and we're all happy to see you enjoying this great hobby. There is absolutely no need to exaggerate your age or skills as we will be better able to assist if we understand your limitations. We want to be your friends. Your enthusiasm is great and we wish to encourage you but in fair warning, we have driven liars out of the forum before as it will not be tolerated.

Let us know how we can help Karter

Yah bruce that confused me too