Well that's why I asked what it's supposed to do. Does it increase stability in any way? Also, these little birds are difficult to see sometimes outdoors do you think it might help with orientation?

Thanks,

Scott

Maybe.....but I doubt it. As you say.....they're quite hard to see because of being small. One of the reasons I went to the 400 tho.

OK I figured it out, it was a crystal issue and I fixed it. An hour of programming and happiness I took it outside. I need to figure out how to put expo on the pitch, the 6xas only shows expo on aileron, elevator, and rudder. That's great for planes but bad for heli's.

So after this work do you think it fixed the glitching problem?....... NOPE. She shot down three times on two flights, all were pitch only. I thinking it in the rx It seems like voltage builds up and shoots out. At least now I don't have to buy 8 AA batteries, I can just charge the pack, always a silver lining

God Bless Y'all,

Jay

Help with left turns...

Hi all. Well despite the troubles right after returning from my two weeks away from the Blade CP+; it is flying well now. Seems just the same as before. Good flight times and only the occasional glitch which doesn't really impact forward flight that much.

My question today is about left turns. My right turns seem very smooth; they're easy to do, look nice, easy to maintain altitude and are well coordinated. The left turns are not pretty. They seem to be steeper and lose more altitude quickly. They're more difficult to maintain a smooth coordinated turn.

I'm guessing it's to do with the direction of rotation of the main blades but can someone explain it and give any suggestions about how to think about it and approach turning left to make them smoother? I'm trying to practice, practice, practice!

Thanks!

Scott

Scott...unless you're having glitching/servo problems, I'm thinking that it's just your weak side that you're gonna need to practice more. Left is also my weak side...even in planes when I fly them, but I'm an expert plank pilot (not as good as Rick Barr or Jay though...LOL). Just watch what you're doing and try to smooth out and coordinate your stick movements in a left turn, but don't over compensate. Just my $.02 worth.

Hey guys,

I'm back, feeling a bit better after half of my chemo treatments 6 of 12 every 2 weeks, so i decided to pick up the sticks.

I feel bad, but I butchered my Blade CP and now I'm running full tilt on the TRex450SA (yes I've abandoned my blade, sorry. She was a good bird but on to bigger and better) Butchered meaning I took out recv, servos, and decided I was done withit, no crashes Well 1 but it was just the spindle and Main gear.(fixed)

Funny thing is I decided to get a sailboat for those times when I don't want to worry about the $200 repair bill should I crash. You can crash a sailboat but it won't cost near that to fix

For those interested I bought a Aquacraft Paradise 26" Blue, awaiting the arrival now.

I still fly my Blade CX when I just want to practice orientation it's still a PERFECT investment for someone ready to learn how to fly. You get the quick movements of the right stick tail control, throttle and of course it's better to work on orientation with a dual rotor than with an expensive single. I haven't abandoned E-Flite yet. These thing take a real beating and it's better than a sim.

For those still using the Blade CP this is definitely a good copter, I TOTALLY recommend a heading hold gyro. Now that I've seen what the Trex can do with a Gy401 I won't go back to tail maneuvering as a full time job. OMG it's night and day guys.

I talked to my lhs about the 400 and I'm looking at getting a ARF and adding the same components I have in my 450SA, since I know they work well. It looks like the repair bill for the 400 will be way less than the trex, so again, I might be putting my nice chopper in the garage for a bit until I get stronger at flying.

All this and I sill can do no more than hover a pack or 2, THINK I GOT THE HELI BUG??????


DY


LAMA v3
Blade CX
Blade CP
Trex 450sa
Boat -Aquacraft Paradise
Blade 400???? SOON????

OK, so you're saying that the heli doesn't 'prefer' to turn one way rather than the other due to the direction of rotation? All right, well I certainly will continue to practice those left turns. It's nice to have something to work on and nice when it's flying well. Too windy today though, storms coming this way soon I think; but I have been able to fly outdoors every day this week so far either before or after work. Nice.

I think I'm going to put the Bell-Hiller back on and try that again. First attempt wasn't too good but I put so much new gear on all at once it was impossible to tell what was happening. Now that she's back to flying well, all I'll change is the Bell Hiller so we'll see.

Thanks for the reply; hope your flying is going well.

Scott

It seems mine dont care if it's left or right turns, but I do. I'm just not as proficient in a left banking turn as I am in a right banking turn....and I can see that, it's just not as smooth in a left turn.

Welcome back to DY...glad you're on the sticks again. I never crashed a sail boat, but I did crash a sail plane (which I thought was an impossibility).

Left vs. right turns...
To correct the left drift induced by the thrust of the tail rotor, a little right stick is needed.
If you play with the trims to hold a non-drifting hover, have a look at the attitude of the bird and you will notice a distinctly "right skid down" appearance.
I wonder if that could have anything to do with the preference of right over left.

Ray

Scott,


Left turn vs Right turn,

It's the result of Gyroscopic precession. Left turns are more difficult, because the helicopter behaves differently when rolling into a right turn than when rolling into a left turn. During roll into a left turn, you will have to correct for a nose down tendency in order to maintain altitude. This correction is required because precession causes a nose down tendency and because the tilted disk produces less vertical lift to counteract gravity. Conversely, during a roll into a right turn, precession will cause a nose up tendency while the tilted disk will produce less vertical lift. Stick input required to maintain altitude is significantly different during a right turn than during a left turn, because gyroscopic precession acts in opposite directions for each.

Bottom line, left turns are harder to control and takes alot more practice to make them look as smooth and coordinated as the right turns.


Vertical Fin::

More for appearance than anything, it may help during SFFF (Super Fast Forward Flight). I wouldn't bother with it, more headaches than it's worth.


I'm sure this clears it up everything...[sm=confused.gif][sm=confused.gif]

Dave / Choppersrule

Boils down to what I said though...."practice" to make it look better. LMAO...leave it to Dave for the technical stuff (is he good or what?).

Ray,

Just an FYI / Trivia, the reason for right skid down appearance on RC Helicopter is cause by the main shaft being perpendicular to the main frame. Basically straight up and down. Commercial and military helicopters, the main shaft is tilted 1 degree to offset this phenomenon. On RC Helicopters, if you tilt the tail rotor gear box 1 degree, ccw. It would then be level. Just more things to think about.

Dave / Choppersrule

Vic,

LMAO,,
Boils down to what I said though...."practice" to make it look better. LMAO...leave it to Dave for the technical stuff (is he good or what?).
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But now he knows why! And that it's not his fault, it physics and the old dreaded gravity.

On the right stick, a little left and down is the key. Oh yes, you said "Practice" LOL Later...

Dave / Choppersrule

DY,

Welcome back our friend,,, hope you're feeling okay with the chemo treatments. Just take care and listen to the Doctors.

Wow, sounds like you have your hands full with the helicopters and the new arrival of a sailboat.

Never throw anything away..[:'(], I still have parts from three years ago and sometimes they still come in handy...

Yes, you've got the bug, and you'll come around, just push the stick alittle forward.

Again, welcome back and take 'er slow for awhile,

Dave / Choppesrule
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Jay,

You're 90 percent there with the glitches. Glad you found the crystal problem.. I'm a duffus boy when it comes to glitching, not totally, but pretty close.. Even a funky servo can cause the same symtoms. Expo on the pitch, don't have a clue.. I'm not a programmable TX kinda guy, at least not for a month or two... Nice Tom Turkey, but where are you?

God Bless and tell the family, Choppers said Hi...

Dave / Choppersrule

DY, I hope you continue to get better and better! I love my T-Rex SA w/ the GY401. Amazingly stable chopper.

Choppers, it was fun to messing around with, learning, and programming, but the bottom line is that I need to move on to a HBKII. That turkey was big! My parents have always seen them but not up close, they couldn't believe how big they really are. I just found 45-50 morels today so I think it's time to fire up the grill and have some wild turkey smothered in morels! I love this time of year!

God Bless All!

Jay

Oh Snap!!!

Morels!!! I used to get the fall ones outside of Yakima, WA. I was a firefighter for the State Forestry dept. One of our jobs was to patrol the roads and look for non sanctioned campsites. Talk about finding some sweet shrooms. The illegal campsites alway became much more numerous during the shroom season. Imagine that.......
DY, Welcome back to the fold old friend. You certainly have been challenged but as a heli pilot you are well accustomed to bucking the odds and making a go of it. Happy to have you with us again. I love the inspiration I get just by reading the forums and learning about others obstacles and how they cope and overcome. My hopes and prayers for you, thak god medicine has come so far in the last 20 years.

Not much for a flight report, I may have to look at some vids and see if I can't come up with another story for ya guys.......


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Of all the things I ever lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!

My GOD...look what the cat dragged in....an Arrownaughtic.....LMAO.

Choppers,
Lordy, Lordy...thanks for the info on the inclination of the main shaft....I'm going to play with that on the Rex and see if I can on the 400.
When I see movies of the large military machines I'd wondered why the tail rotor was canted.
Is that the reason why one of those smaller military machines has the rear horizontal stab canted so as to lift the tail in forward flight.
Was watching some video of the Russian Kamerov I think it is. Co-axial and extremely agile....love to see one in real life.
No flying yesterday...Storms, lightning and a tornado touchdown about a mile from the house kinda put a damper on it.
Cleanup this weekend and Rockingham under the lights.
Ray.

OH YEAH, another NASCAR Fan![8D] Glad to hear the tornado missed you!

Arrow, that would be a great job, talk about the perks.

For dinner tonight we ate Coho Salmon, ( which I caught), and some of the morels, ( which I found). Clean plates tonight!

God Bless Y'all and have a great weekend!

Jay

Nascar fan.....?
I'll watch Nascar but only because it's racing. I prefer the American Le Mans series, Aussie V-8 Supercars, rallying and such. Oval racing can be boring but the new car has proved interesting.....we do need more road courses though.
But, Rockingham, reconfigured and under the lights will be good......I'm watching the Busch race as we speak.
Storm damage was minimal but 1/4 mile away there was havoc.
I was outside in my porch watching the lightning at 2300 when the sheriff's office called for residents to go into their basements 'cos there was a nasty in the area. Said nasty missed us but microbursts did some local flattening. More damage done by lightning though I believe.
Got three nice hobby stores to visit tomorrow. None of them retail the HBK2...plenty of e-flight and align. Need two more spare batteries and some electrical advice.
I've railroad stuff to buy anyway.
Got the new loco yesterday so I gotta create some dual gauge trackage (HO/HOn3) so it can run. Now I have two small articulated steamers....no diesels allowed.
Possible airtime tomorrow.
Gentlemen,
Good evening,
Ray.

He-He... they're at Darlington this weekend[sm=red_smile.gif] my bad!

God Bless Ya,

Jay

To the Bobs,

I'm on VACATION, starting NOW! I'll be out of town for a few days with no Helicopters.. Need a big break anyway..

Love you guys,

Dave / Choppersrule

Hey Dave............. enjoy the vacation and remember we will always be here for ya! And as always, Jacki says Hi!
Jay......... We fish for the landlocked kind of coho here also, Kokanee's is what we call em here and they range in size from 6 inches to 26 inches. My favs tho are the Silvers and Kings we get here......... They range from 8 lbs to 40 plus, I myself have only caught a mid twenties one but the biggies still exist.
Vic old buddy.......... even tho I am not always posting............... I do lurk and chirp when I have the strength. You were and still are my first friend I made on RCU. I got my first plane from you and still have it. My flying buddy wants me to sell it to him but I have grown quite fond of it and have a plan of action for it now. That may be my next story after the Megatech hydroplane I am working on now.........hehe.


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Of all the things I ever lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!

I think I cured my "bobbing" problem....reading back I saw mention of crystals so I did mine.
CP is glitch free now.
Buncha cleanup around here today...I love the sound of chainsaws in the morning. We've a number of contractors live around here so you can imagine the equipment available when they all decided to chip in. They had a 60 ton hydraulic crane that was lifting trees conpletely over houses...thats a sight to behold.
Pro flew this eve and scope is coming out tonight.
Race is about to start so I'll be away.....
Ray