Thanks for the advice, but I never intended to get one. I thought from the title of this thread the news may be of interest to some.

Hfenn,

Well, it was just an "IMHO"... I wasn't aware of your back ground and the helis you have, sounds like you're having a ball and have you hands full too.

At this time the name of this thread is deceiving to say the least. The first 2 or 3 thousand posts were related to Blade CP's mostly, and as time went on all the original followers, aka BOB's, ventured / advanced to other systems, myself included.
Currently, I've got the Lama V4 (just for the hoot of it),, HBK2, Belt-CP and a Logo 10.

Oh, 23 years married, congrats on that, after 30 years, it's a cake walk.. Divorce, LOL, helicopter vs divorce.. Never crossed our minds, we are to much on the same wave length and think alike after all these years.

Take care and Blue Skies,

Dave / Choppersrule

Hi lookyj,

I was wondering if you might share how you got started with loops and rolls? I can do them on the sim but I guess I think that is far from real world when it comes to trying it with my CP+. Could you give some tips and maybe suggested stick inputs for loops and rolls; what you would recommend? Can my stock CP+ (brushed motor but running Bell-Hiller, sym blades and lipos) do it?

Thanks for any ideas!

Best,

Scott

Scott,

The first thing that comes to mind is SETUP. Make sure your heli is perfectly setup! A well balanced head, correct head speed, and correct pitch settings.

Make sure your comfortable flying in stunt mode (idle up).

My next recommendation would be ALTITUDE and LOTS OF SPARE PARTS!

Height is definately your friend when trying a new maneuver with any Heli. It gives you a little more time/room to save your heli.

My first three or four attempts at a loop or roll ended in disaster. Loops and/or Rolls on the simulator I feel are different then with the real thing; however, lots of sim time does help!

Finally, don't get discouraged! It just takes some practice and time to get it down.

Just remember have fun! It's quite a rush when you pull off your first loop!

Hey Scott I'd like to put my 2 cents in as well. It's very easy to loop a heli on the sim, yes. It's also very easy to loop a heli in real life it it has a good gyro to keep the tail straight. I found with the Blade that when I used a lot of +pitch to go into the loop that the tail would shoot 90 degrees and as it went inverted I added -pitch it made it even worse. At that point your flying out of a crash not making a pretty loop. If your CP+ holds well then just do it, I was surprised how much my fear held me back to find out later how easy something is. Like Jer said, do it will good altitude, in good sight , and good orientation.

Best of Luck and God Bless!

Jay

Jay....I'll be pm'ing you later on this subject (LOL).

Bobs,


Off Topic:

Here's me and Shock-a, female, Rottweiler / Bulldog mutt. 95 pounds, she's a house lover, hates outside. When it's raining she hates to get her feet wet.. IMHO, she's a sissy dog. LOL... A real people kinda dog. Sleeps most of the time, stares out the window and watches the birds and traffic go by. She possed better than I did. LMAO

Later guys,

Dave / Choppersrule

What a big sweety and no offense but more photogenic as well Although it kind of looks like your trying to choke the life out of her and she's looking for help. Of coarse I never did very well with the ink blot test either[X(]

I hope your getting the most out of your vacation!

God Bless Ya Dave, BTW loved the bumper sticker email

Jay

Jay,

Yep, Shock-a is more photogenic. She's young, I'm OLD. Hit 62, in August. Holy Crap, but still having a ball.

Choking, na, she's a dream, and we have fun... Vacation is great, going slow, and relaxing from the work place. Lot's of flying time when I want. Of course there are HONEY DOOS, Liz (Mrs. Choppersrule) does have a list of stuff to do. NEVER ENDS!

No problem on the stickers.

Bless ya Jay,,,, Hey, need a couple pictures for an update...

Dave / Choppersrule

Lookyj,

Well, I think I'm ahead right now.. Crash #5... Busted the Carbon Fiber main... Hit the wall. Part of the Hobby.[]

Dave / Choppersrule

Bobs,

Off Topic Again:

Shock-a watching TV.... Now that's relaxing..

Dave / Choppersrule

And WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT PIRO's in the basement???? Well, break out the Extreme's and a new feathering shaft.

Update on my #5 Crash:

Both main blades broken.

Two rear servos, stripped gears.

Bent feathering shaft.

Luckily, I have spares of all.. But need to order more STUFF![sm=spinnyeyes.gif][sm=spinnyeyes.gif][sm=spinnyeyes.gif]

About a 50 buck mistake....

Dave / Choppersrule

I just want to hug her.........she's beautiful.

Crashcrash,

No Piro's, just dumb luck... Just one inch, and I'd be okay. LMAO... I have spares of all, including CF mains.

Extreme blades are next. I've got 3 bent feathering shafts to staighnten out. Last new one will go in tomorrow.

Think I'll fly the Lama V4 to relax.[sm=idea.gif][sm=idea.gif]

Dave / Choppersrule

Jay,

So do you use negative pitch at the top of the loop? Lookyj said you need to be in idle up mode but I'm wondering if you really do use negative pitch at the top? On the sim I didn't need to do so; just have speed and pull it up and over. That's why I was asking for sample stick inputs. Could you maybe think about how you or others do it and talk me through the stick inputs at various points in the loop? Then same for a roll too if possible?

Thanks!

Scott

Scott,

Here's a site that will explain how to do a loop.. http://www.heliguy.com/nexus/learning.html

Dave / Choppersrule

Yes, you will need to be in idle up mode, I did it once in normal mode and by the time I came into the inverted 45 degree down line you could see the blades really slowing down. I barely made it. Just remember if anything bad happens and you hit the ground, FLIP the idle up switch off or it will continue to go full throttle and break or burn up stuff!

God Bless!

Jay

Nasty little pileup there Choppers.
Question with smile upon face: how do you straighten feathering shafts...?
I have my own way of changing shafts without total disassembly (use the new one to push to old one out) so I just replace and heave the old ones. I really don't have to replace them that often 'cos I'm still pretty cautious.
I read on one of these boards about giving the flybar paddles a tiny bit of positive pitch.....what's behind that....?
New battery packs for the 400 fully charged and what do you think its doing...?...bloody rainin'....started the moment I opened my front door.
Anyway..tata for now...may be back later.
Ray

Ray,

I've had plenty of crashes much worse than this one, over the last 3 years... Yikes!

To answer your question about straightening feathering shafts, I use a small brass hammer and a vise. I don't put the shaft in the jaws of the vise, I just use the flat of it. Them gently tap, turn, tap, turn, tap, etc.. I use a piece of window glass to roll the shaft on to verify for straightness... It only takes a couple minutes to do. But it has to be pretty close to perfect or you'll have problems with tracking and maybe vibration too.

Just hammer away,

Dave / Choppersrule

Choppers,
Perfect....I'm gonna try that.
I have a couple that took a nudge.
I wonder if the application of a little heat would be appropriate...?
I have a nice 12" toolmakers granite flatplate so I was wondering if heat and rolling 'tween the flat and a nice piece of toolsteel would be acceptable.
Is there a flying difference between CF and wooden main blades...? Up 'till now I've been using woodies and since I've just ordered an HBK2 I'd like to know what's what.
Visitors,
Ray

Ray,

IMHO, I wouldn't use heat. That will change the hardness of the metal. I'm no expert in this field, but I know heat will weaken the temper of the steel.. Also, it's advised not to straighten, by hammering, more that 2 times. Even hammering will distort and weaken the properties in the metal of the shaft.. Kinda like bending a paper-clip back and forth alot, eventually it will break.

Blades: I've had my HBK2 for about 9 months, give or take, I don't remember for sure. I've used woodies, plastic and Carbon Fiber. The best of the three for all types of flying are the Carbon Fiber, without exception. However, they are more expensive. About 3 times the cost of woodies... I would highly recommend NOT to get plastic blades, they don't hold tracking at all because they flex so much at high rpm. I don't know / remember your skill level, but if your still crashing alot, stick with the woodies for awhile.

The Carbon Fiber blades, just slip through the air and gives you more authority.

When you receive your HBK2. Check everything. Especially belt tension and tracking, and all screws, nuts and bolts for tightness.

Good luck,

Dave / Choppersrule

Hey Fellas,

If you still have a heli with a stock TX, 72Mhz thingie and experiencing some glitching.

Here's a 2.4Ghz TX with a 6 channel RX for 90 bucks. Not a bad deal. It not a programmable radio. But does eliminate those outside glitches.

Here's the site:

http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id...7&pid=C1746906

Dave / Choppersrule

Bugger, bugger, bugger......
All batteries charged and rarin' to go....wind picks up and prognosis is not good for the weekend.
Suffering from some serious withdrawal here.
HBK2 not arrived yet so not much to build there so I may be HO railbuilding for a wee while.
I'm a steam kinda guy with a preference toward articulated systems and I came on a nice deal of a pair of artics, one a tanker and the other a unit with tender comprising "modernly" manufactured components and good motors. The original issue came out in the late seventys but they've resurrected these models with better manufacturing techniques. So I have to build some trackage for them. I'd love to find a decent Beyer Garrett out there...there was one from an Italian manufacturer when I was but a mere lad. Pater was a mechanical guy, too so I come by it honestly. He built his own lathe from scraps and we built live steam locos to run on 4" gauge track.....at that time the only thing we had for making boilers to generate 60 psi steam were the shell casings from 3.5" anti aircraft guns and they were easy to get.
Oh....
There was a guy on the lake the other day with an electric Lippisch WIG about 36" wingspan that performed well.....ground effect is fun.
Must away...to fly in my dreams....
Ray

Ray....I was a boilerman in the Navy for 4 years so you have my ATTENTION on the 3.5" casings as a boiler (LOL). I tended 1200lb "D" type boilers on a DE from 1974-1978. The main turbines took the 1200 uncontrolled superheated steam straight up. However, not everything needs that much steam so some of the steam was passed through a de-superheater and in the system there was a pressure reducer that reduced to 150psi, a kind of wet steam situation for hot water heaters, ships heating systems, laundry, etc. The boiler I tended in a factory....operating pressure was 11psi for heating plating tanks thru coils/exchangers. My point....60psi in a model steam Locomotive...jeebus, that's a LOT of pressure!!!!! I'm sure you had regulators and pop-off valves etc. How'd you fire them (I know you didn't use a little shovel and shovle coal). Mini burners/ fuel cells/etc? Man...facinating!!!! Got some pics of that stuff?

Crash,
Unfortunately, no photos now exist.
60 psi was about the tops and fueling was done with a hand pressurised "scent spray" parafin (kerosene) burner.
My dad worked for a big rolling mill manufacturer and so access to metals was of no great concern but if you could get hold of even 37 mm cannon shell casings they made good steam generators for small systems.
There were some hardy souls who did hand fire with what we would call particulate coal. Steam demand wasn't very high so firebox size was relatively small so maintaining steam pressure could get a bit tricky. but considering that most of the engines were in the order of 1 1/4" bore and stroke, efficiency was of no concern.
I served an apprenticeship with a company manufacturing steam turbines and I spent a lotta years in the tool room as a tool and jig maker. I was always building stuff...had a lovely 2 1/2" x 2" and 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" double expansion steam engine that would run on 8 psig.
All gone now since I came here.
But I did find a beautiful HO Beyer Garrett manufactured by an Australian (Chinese..?) company for a ridiculous price so I think temptation may win here.
Winds are down and 400 is waiting so I'm away.
Charlotte under the lights tonight...still like Mark Martin to win....just not jimmy johnson or kurt busch.
Ray