Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
09-25-2008 | 07:45 PM
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Jeff Michael,
As far as reasearch on what you looking for, take the time and effort to do that. Pays off in the end.. As mentioned, LONG TERM. But at the same time you have to take small/medium steps to get there. Gotta crawl before you can walk, then walk before you run. ( I just made that up, pretty cool)
SLOW down and get some sleep... Love ya man....
Done flying for the night, getting dark pretty early these days... 6 batteries and still all in one piece, Yeppie!
Just Dave
As far as reasearch on what you looking for, take the time and effort to do that. Pays off in the end.. As mentioned, LONG TERM. But at the same time you have to take small/medium steps to get there. Gotta crawl before you can walk, then walk before you run. ( I just made that up, pretty cool)
SLOW down and get some sleep... Love ya man....Done flying for the night, getting dark pretty early these days... 6 batteries and still all in one piece, Yeppie!
Just Dave
09-25-2008 | 08:07 PM
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Jeff Michael,
As far as reasearch on what you looking for, take the time and effort to do that. Pays off in the end.. As mentioned, LONG TERM. But at the same time you have to take small/medium steps to get there. Gotta crawl before you can walk, then walk before you run. ( I just made that up, pretty cool) SLOW down and get some sleep... Love ya man....
Done flying for the night, getting dark pretty early these days... 6 batteries and still all in one piece, Yeppie!
Just Dave
Jeff Michael,
As far as reasearch on what you looking for, take the time and effort to do that. Pays off in the end.. As mentioned, LONG TERM. But at the same time you have to take small/medium steps to get there. Gotta crawl before you can walk, then walk before you run. ( I just made that up, pretty cool)
SLOW down and get some sleep... Love ya man....Done flying for the night, getting dark pretty early these days... 6 batteries and still all in one piece, Yeppie!
Just Dave
09-25-2008 | 09:16 PM
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Boy you are a bunch of Chatty Kathys tonite!
So yesterday afternoon I'm out in the back yard testing out the new Futaba 3154 I put on the tail. Just doing some slow speed, tight figure 8's and dropping some piro's in to test it all out. All looks good so I decide to do some nose in hover practice. Well, I end up getting the heli a bit to close to my kids sliding board and had a very slight blade strike with it. So slight (or so I think) that it didn't tear the plastic covering on the blades. Knowing better, I shut it all down and take it to my work shop. Slightly bent feathering shaft, no suprise there but I find both the collective & aileron servo gears stripped! I knew they were supposed to be a weak spot but that just blew me away as the strike was not bad at all.
I just finished installing the new feathering shaft & 3 HS65's on it (not metal gears). I did have to tweak the servo case and frame ever so slightly to get them to fit. All 3 needed to be reversed and I went through and reset the whole head. Two things I found while replacing the feathering shaft were that the O-rings in the head were worn out after about 25 flights & (from the factory) they had 3 head dampners on one side and 4 on the other! I have it all back together and working properly. I will do the test flight tomorrow afternoon. I used Align O rings as my LHS didn't have any E-Flights. They appear to be same size and seem to work without issue.
I truly like working on these things as much as I do flying them!
Jim
So yesterday afternoon I'm out in the back yard testing out the new Futaba 3154 I put on the tail. Just doing some slow speed, tight figure 8's and dropping some piro's in to test it all out. All looks good so I decide to do some nose in hover practice. Well, I end up getting the heli a bit to close to my kids sliding board and had a very slight blade strike with it. So slight (or so I think) that it didn't tear the plastic covering on the blades. Knowing better, I shut it all down and take it to my work shop. Slightly bent feathering shaft, no suprise there but I find both the collective & aileron servo gears stripped! I knew they were supposed to be a weak spot but that just blew me away as the strike was not bad at all.
I just finished installing the new feathering shaft & 3 HS65's on it (not metal gears). I did have to tweak the servo case and frame ever so slightly to get them to fit. All 3 needed to be reversed and I went through and reset the whole head. Two things I found while replacing the feathering shaft were that the O-rings in the head were worn out after about 25 flights & (from the factory) they had 3 head dampners on one side and 4 on the other! I have it all back together and working properly. I will do the test flight tomorrow afternoon. I used Align O rings as my LHS didn't have any E-Flights. They appear to be same size and seem to work without issue.
I truly like working on these things as much as I do flying them!
Jim
09-25-2008 | 09:33 PM
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ORIGINAL: Wnuk
Boy you are a bunch of Chatty Kathys tonite!
So yesterday afternoon I'm out in the back yard testing out the new Futaba 3154 I put on the tail. Just doing some slow speed, tight figure 8's and dropping some piro's in to test it all out. All looks good so I decide to do some nose in hover practice. Well, I end up getting the heli a bit to close to my kids sliding board and had a very slight blade strike with it. So slight (or so I think) that it didn't tear the plastic covering on the blades. Knowing better, I shut it all down and take it to my work shop. Slightly bent feathering shaft, no suprise there but I find both the collective & aileron servo gears stripped! I knew they were supposed to be a weak spot but that just blew me away as the strike was not bad at all.
I just finished installing the new feathering shaft & 3 HS65's on it (not metal gears). I did have to tweak the servo case and frame ever so slightly to get them to fit. All 3 needed to be reversed and I went through and reset the whole head. Two things I found while replacing the feathering shaft were that the O-rings in the head were worn out after about 25 flights & (from the factory) they had 3 head dampners on one side and 4 on the other! I have it all back together and working properly. I will do the test flight tomorrow afternoon. I used Align O rings as my LHS didn't have any E-Flights. They appear to be same size and seem to work without issue.
I truly like working on these things as much as I do flying them!
Jim
Boy you are a bunch of Chatty Kathys tonite!
So yesterday afternoon I'm out in the back yard testing out the new Futaba 3154 I put on the tail. Just doing some slow speed, tight figure 8's and dropping some piro's in to test it all out. All looks good so I decide to do some nose in hover practice. Well, I end up getting the heli a bit to close to my kids sliding board and had a very slight blade strike with it. So slight (or so I think) that it didn't tear the plastic covering on the blades. Knowing better, I shut it all down and take it to my work shop. Slightly bent feathering shaft, no suprise there but I find both the collective & aileron servo gears stripped! I knew they were supposed to be a weak spot but that just blew me away as the strike was not bad at all.
I just finished installing the new feathering shaft & 3 HS65's on it (not metal gears). I did have to tweak the servo case and frame ever so slightly to get them to fit. All 3 needed to be reversed and I went through and reset the whole head. Two things I found while replacing the feathering shaft were that the O-rings in the head were worn out after about 25 flights & (from the factory) they had 3 head dampners on one side and 4 on the other! I have it all back together and working properly. I will do the test flight tomorrow afternoon. I used Align O rings as my LHS didn't have any E-Flights. They appear to be same size and seem to work without issue.
I truly like working on these things as much as I do flying them!
Jim
09-25-2008 | 10:05 PM
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I read all along that E-Flights servos were sub par. They are fine until you have a small incident. I guess the gears are just weak.
I debated on which serovs to put in it. Everyone raves about the 65's. They do have 8oz more torque then the stock servos but they are actually slower in respones time (i think .11 compared to .14). I ended up with the 65's as size wise they were nearly identical so I had less fuss with trying to mount them.
I debated on which serovs to put in it. Everyone raves about the 65's. They do have 8oz more torque then the stock servos but they are actually slower in respones time (i think .11 compared to .14). I ended up with the 65's as size wise they were nearly identical so I had less fuss with trying to mount them.
09-25-2008 | 10:24 PM
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Jim ~
I've read about the dampners wearing very quickly in my RC-Heli magazines... The Align ones are better, but still don't last to long... The best ones that the majority of the Trex guys are running in there heli's are the Trueblood's. They supposively outlast any other, and perform extremely well and offer an affordable price among that. http://www.readyheli.com/TREX_V2_Hea...dampeners2.htm Not sure on the compatibilty for the B-400, but if the Align ones are fitting, I'am thinking they'll work also...
Other weak links that were reviewed in my April and September's 2008 issues of RC-Heli magazine showed the stock servos needed replaced right off the bat, and along with the tail servo, and gyro among that... And of course the dampners, which was causing mushy cyclic response along with some of the stock head components developing slop faster than the norm...
There was a lot of positive feedback however, and is a great heli for the money...
The combo is $400.00, and the Trex 450 SE V2 is $449.00 at my LHS here which includes the motor, esc, and blades... I'am thinking that may be my route, as purchasing the servo's I would still have to do on the 400, along with the gyro and tail servo among that, and the quality of the parts would exceed that of the B-400, simply because of the CNC parts, and CF components that it carries throughout the machine, fiberglass canopy etc. etc....
Since I'am already familiar with the Trex, and already carry a good selection of parts in the parts bin, I'am thinking for my situation it would prove to be the best choice... For others, it could be different as everyone has there own situations present...
The power to weight ratio of the blade 400 in the April edition states the power to weight ratio is EXCELLENT, and exceeds that of a Trex... They say the B-400 fully loaded is about 595 grams, and I believe the Trex SE-V2 is around 740 grams fully loaded... Big diff...
One thing they said to increase cyclic response in the 400 for 3-D pilots is to lose the weighted flybar paddles, and swap them with some Align ones, as the difference was quite noticeable.
Not sure on whose parts are cheaper, as that is going to be tonight's mission and along with checking on the Trex 500 parts expense...
I'am thinking your next heli for where you are already at in your skills, and where you will be in the near future may be the Trex 500. It seems like a real winner doing all the research that I have recently done. But that's another story, so we're not going there now...!...Lol..
Oh..... BTW... I ran the JR DS285's in my Trex for quite awhile and liked them a lot, they were digital and carried a faster speed, but less torque then the HS65 MG's which I'am running in the Trex right now. The 65's offer much less 'noise' than the JR's did for me as the 65's are not digital... At my stage in the game, I don't need fast cyclic, but strength for my crashes as I'am learning, so going non-digital is working for me at the moment, and less fear of a brown-out occuring with the Spektrum electronics that sometimes can happen, but rarely from an overload happening. The digital jobber's draw much more juice so to speak... The diff is the Jr's are about $47.00 compared to the HS 65MG's which are about $37.00.... The Jr's were a tad smaller, but hardly noticeable. I had one MG JR on the elevator, and the other two were regular nylon gears which eventually stripped out due to crashes... The HS65 MG's weigh a half gram more than the JR DS285 MG's. I'am scared to not run anything metal geared for right now, as I'am still in a learning curve, but later will go for the Karbonite gears...
Alright, back to some homework !
Take care Jim,
~ Jeff
I've read about the dampners wearing very quickly in my RC-Heli magazines... The Align ones are better, but still don't last to long... The best ones that the majority of the Trex guys are running in there heli's are the Trueblood's. They supposively outlast any other, and perform extremely well and offer an affordable price among that. http://www.readyheli.com/TREX_V2_Hea...dampeners2.htm Not sure on the compatibilty for the B-400, but if the Align ones are fitting, I'am thinking they'll work also...
Other weak links that were reviewed in my April and September's 2008 issues of RC-Heli magazine showed the stock servos needed replaced right off the bat, and along with the tail servo, and gyro among that... And of course the dampners, which was causing mushy cyclic response along with some of the stock head components developing slop faster than the norm...
There was a lot of positive feedback however, and is a great heli for the money...
The combo is $400.00, and the Trex 450 SE V2 is $449.00 at my LHS here which includes the motor, esc, and blades... I'am thinking that may be my route, as purchasing the servo's I would still have to do on the 400, along with the gyro and tail servo among that, and the quality of the parts would exceed that of the B-400, simply because of the CNC parts, and CF components that it carries throughout the machine, fiberglass canopy etc. etc....
Since I'am already familiar with the Trex, and already carry a good selection of parts in the parts bin, I'am thinking for my situation it would prove to be the best choice... For others, it could be different as everyone has there own situations present...
The power to weight ratio of the blade 400 in the April edition states the power to weight ratio is EXCELLENT, and exceeds that of a Trex... They say the B-400 fully loaded is about 595 grams, and I believe the Trex SE-V2 is around 740 grams fully loaded... Big diff...
One thing they said to increase cyclic response in the 400 for 3-D pilots is to lose the weighted flybar paddles, and swap them with some Align ones, as the difference was quite noticeable.
Not sure on whose parts are cheaper, as that is going to be tonight's mission and along with checking on the Trex 500 parts expense...
I'am thinking your next heli for where you are already at in your skills, and where you will be in the near future may be the Trex 500. It seems like a real winner doing all the research that I have recently done. But that's another story, so we're not going there now...!...Lol..
Oh..... BTW... I ran the JR DS285's in my Trex for quite awhile and liked them a lot, they were digital and carried a faster speed, but less torque then the HS65 MG's which I'am running in the Trex right now. The 65's offer much less 'noise' than the JR's did for me as the 65's are not digital... At my stage in the game, I don't need fast cyclic, but strength for my crashes as I'am learning, so going non-digital is working for me at the moment, and less fear of a brown-out occuring with the Spektrum electronics that sometimes can happen, but rarely from an overload happening. The digital jobber's draw much more juice so to speak... The diff is the Jr's are about $47.00 compared to the HS 65MG's which are about $37.00.... The Jr's were a tad smaller, but hardly noticeable. I had one MG JR on the elevator, and the other two were regular nylon gears which eventually stripped out due to crashes... The HS65 MG's weigh a half gram more than the JR DS285 MG's. I'am scared to not run anything metal geared for right now, as I'am still in a learning curve, but later will go for the Karbonite gears...
Alright, back to some homework !
Take care Jim,
~ Jeff
09-25-2008 | 10:31 PM
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I read all along that E-Flights servos were sub par. They are fine until you have a small incident. I guess the gears are just weak.
I debated on which serovs to put in it. Everyone raves about the 65's. They do have 8oz more torque then the stock servos but they are actually slower in respones time (i think .11 compared to .14). I ended up with the 65's as size wise they were nearly identical so I had less fuss with trying to mount them.
I read all along that E-Flights servos were sub par. They are fine until you have a small incident. I guess the gears are just weak.
I debated on which serovs to put in it. Everyone raves about the 65's. They do have 8oz more torque then the stock servos but they are actually slower in respones time (i think .11 compared to .14). I ended up with the 65's as size wise they were nearly identical so I had less fuss with trying to mount them.
09-26-2008 | 07:46 AM
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Hey guys since where on a first name basis check this name out Clifford Michael Vancooney, thats my given name i'm indian german and who knows what else.
09-26-2008 | 08:03 AM
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Hey guys since where on a first name basis check this name out Clifford Michael Vancooney, thats my given name i'm indian german and who knows what else.
Hey guys since where on a first name basis check this name out Clifford Michael Vancooney, thats my given name i'm indian german and who knows what else.
09-26-2008 | 08:07 AM
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I've had the E-Sky std 8g's hold up through a few crashes and hits before they failed. I've been exceptionally impressed by their durability and survivability. I've heard people say their junk, and if the results I'm getting is from junk servos...I'll take the junk servos please (LMAO). They are slower than digital, but work well for $7. Since I don't even do loops and rolls, I don't think I stress them that much and maybe that's why last for me. These two birds fly great, using all std 8g E-Sky servos:
ORIGINAL: Wnuk
I read all along that E-Flights servos were sub par. They are fine until you have a small incident. I guess the gears are just weak.
I debated on which serovs to put in it. Everyone raves about the 65's. They do have 8oz more torque then the stock servos but they are actually slower in respones time (i think .11 compared to .14). I ended up with the 65's as size wise they were nearly identical so I had less fuss with trying to mount them.
I read all along that E-Flights servos were sub par. They are fine until you have a small incident. I guess the gears are just weak.
I debated on which serovs to put in it. Everyone raves about the 65's. They do have 8oz more torque then the stock servos but they are actually slower in respones time (i think .11 compared to .14). I ended up with the 65's as size wise they were nearly identical so I had less fuss with trying to mount them.
09-26-2008 | 10:35 AM
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Hey guys my new belt cp has digital servos are they anygood?still waiting for blades they can't get here soon enough.
ORIGINAL: crashcrash
I've had the E-Sky std 8g's hold up through a few crashes and hits before they failed. I've been exceptionally impressed by their durability and survivability. I've heard people say their junk, and if the results I'm getting is from junk servos...I'll take the junk servos please (LMAO). They are slower than digital, but work well for $7. Since I don't even do loops and rolls, I don't think I stress them that much and maybe that's why last for me. These two birds fly great, using all std 8g E-Sky servos:
ORIGINAL: Wnuk
I read all along that E-Flights servos were sub par. They are fine until you have a small incident. I guess the gears are just weak.
I debated on which serovs to put in it. Everyone raves about the 65's. They do have 8oz more torque then the stock servos but they are actually slower in respones time (i think .11 compared to .14). I ended up with the 65's as size wise they were nearly identical so I had less fuss with trying to mount them.
I read all along that E-Flights servos were sub par. They are fine until you have a small incident. I guess the gears are just weak.
I debated on which serovs to put in it. Everyone raves about the 65's. They do have 8oz more torque then the stock servos but they are actually slower in respones time (i think .11 compared to .14). I ended up with the 65's as size wise they were nearly identical so I had less fuss with trying to mount them.
update...LMAO. I just lost the elevator servo on #38. I had these servos on the MX-400 for quite a while, so they're old. Of course I had one in the parts drawer.
09-26-2008 | 03:09 PM
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update...LMAO. I just lost the elevator servo on #38. I had these servos on the MX-400 for quite a while, so they're old. Of course I had one in the parts drawer.
09-26-2008 | 03:40 PM
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Did she go down in flight ? Any fuselage damage Vic ? Not #38....! [X(] That one was mine....Lol..
update...LMAO. I just lost the elevator servo on #38. I had these servos on the MX-400 for quite a while, so they're old. Of course I had one in the parts drawer.
09-26-2008 | 04:09 PM
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Whew..... Alright. I figured that.... Or you wouldn't have started off with 'LMAO'....LOL...! It would have been other words of choice I'am guessing.
Take care Vic !
~ Jeff
Take care Vic !
~ Jeff
09-26-2008 | 05:14 PM
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Whew..... Alright. I figured that.... Or you wouldn't have started off with 'LMAO'....LOL...! It would have been other words of choice I'am guessing.
Take care Vic !
~ Jeff
Whew..... Alright. I figured that.... Or you wouldn't have started off with 'LMAO'....LOL...! It would have been other words of choice I'am guessing.
Take care Vic !
~ Jeff
09-26-2008 | 05:35 PM
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Mikey,
Your full name has a nice ring to it... I'm part german, and hungarian.. Oh, are you related to the Vancooney Trash Service there at
33458 Bailey Run Rd Pomeroy OH 45769-9673. Here's the site: http://www.ratepoint.com/companies/1...ces-pomeroy-oh
If I'm right, I qualify for, "finding a needle in a hay stack".
Dave
Your full name has a nice ring to it... I'm part german, and hungarian.. Oh, are you related to the Vancooney Trash Service there at
33458 Bailey Run Rd Pomeroy OH 45769-9673. Here's the site: http://www.ratepoint.com/companies/1...ces-pomeroy-oh
If I'm right, I qualify for, "finding a needle in a hay stack".
Dave
ORIGINAL: mikey1964
Hey guys since where on a first name basis check this name out Clifford Michael Vancooney, thats my given name i'm indian german and who knows what else.
Hey guys since where on a first name basis check this name out Clifford Michael Vancooney, thats my given name i'm indian german and who knows what else.
09-26-2008 | 05:48 PM
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Servos in General:
I agree with Vic on the Esky 8g servos, for the price, 7 bucks, and 3 bucks for a gear set. They are hard to beat. There's always a however. With all the new technology coming out, not only with helis, but all electonics. Analog servos will be a thing of the past, digita servos are realatively new to helis, a couple years plus. As demands of the consumer, that's us, a millions around the world. The digital servos will get better... Just as they have done with the Spectrum systems on 2.4 G. Eventually, they'll bump the 2.4g, to 5.0g. Just like they did the home cordless phones. Just hold on for a fun ride in the next 2 years.
And in closing, any of them can and will break.[
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Dave
I agree with Vic on the Esky 8g servos, for the price, 7 bucks, and 3 bucks for a gear set. They are hard to beat. There's always a however. With all the new technology coming out, not only with helis, but all electonics. Analog servos will be a thing of the past, digita servos are realatively new to helis, a couple years plus. As demands of the consumer, that's us, a millions around the world. The digital servos will get better... Just as they have done with the Spectrum systems on 2.4 G. Eventually, they'll bump the 2.4g, to 5.0g. Just like they did the home cordless phones. Just hold on for a fun ride in the next 2 years.
And in closing, any of them can and will break.[
][sm=cry_smile.gif]Dave
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Jim,
That's a lot of damage for a small blade strike on the swing set thingie. Good you had the sense to do a complete Pm on the heli, or it could have been worse.. I've had similar, just on a tip over. Bent spindle/ feathering shaft and a striped servo. Guess it all boils down to what the "angle of the dangle' was.
Vic,
Your like me, draw fulls of 8g servos and gear sets. Hold on, I'm gonna take an inventory.... pause.................
I have a total of 11 8g servos and 6 gear sets. So that should hold me for awhile anyway.
Just Dave
That's a lot of damage for a small blade strike on the swing set thingie. Good you had the sense to do a complete Pm on the heli, or it could have been worse.. I've had similar, just on a tip over. Bent spindle/ feathering shaft and a striped servo. Guess it all boils down to what the "angle of the dangle' was.
Vic,
Your like me, draw fulls of 8g servos and gear sets.
Hold on, I'm gonna take an inventory.... pause.................I have a total of 11 8g servos and 6 gear sets. So that should hold me for awhile anyway.
Just Dave
09-26-2008 | 06:17 PM
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Well my damage was more then I thought. I guess the hit was harder too. [X(]
Upon spooling it up after new servos and feathering shaft I found the main shaft to have a big enough wobble in it that I will replace it AND the main gear has 1 tooth sheared that I didn't notice the first time I looked at it.
I agree wit you Dave, I think it boils down to the angle you hit at.
Now that I got the HS65's in it the next time should just be feathering shaft/main shaft and possibly blades.
A "Tp of the Day" , sort of: Once I scuff the original covering on my blades, I always redo them in Topflite Monokote. It's much tougher then the original covering and I can use any color I choose. I have lots of it lying around from covering my planks.
Jim
Upon spooling it up after new servos and feathering shaft I found the main shaft to have a big enough wobble in it that I will replace it AND the main gear has 1 tooth sheared that I didn't notice the first time I looked at it.
I agree wit you Dave, I think it boils down to the angle you hit at.
Now that I got the HS65's in it the next time should just be feathering shaft/main shaft and possibly blades.
A "Tp of the Day" , sort of: Once I scuff the original covering on my blades, I always redo them in Topflite Monokote. It's much tougher then the original covering and I can use any color I choose. I have lots of it lying around from covering my planks.
Jim
09-26-2008 | 06:27 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
ORIGINAL: J-MICHAEL
Jim ~
I've read about the dampners wearing very quickly in my RC-Heli magazines... The Align ones are better, but still don't last to long... The best ones that the majority of the Trex guys are running in there heli's are the Trueblood's. They supposively outlast any other, and perform extremely well and offer an affordable price among that. http://www.readyheli.com/TREX_V2_Hea...dampeners2.htm Not sure on the compatibilty for the B-400, but if the Align ones are fitting, I'am thinking they'll work also...
Other weak links that were reviewed in my April and September's 2008 issues of RC-Heli magazine showed the stock servos needed replaced right off the bat, and along with the tail servo, and gyro among that... And of course the dampners, which was causing mushy cyclic response along with some of the stock head components developing slop faster than the norm...
There was a lot of positive feedback however, and is a great heli for the money...
The combo is $400.00, and the Trex 450 SE V2 is $449.00 at my LHS here which includes the motor, esc, and blades... I'am thinking that may be my route, as purchasing the servo's I would still have to do on the 400, along with the gyro and tail servo among that, and the quality of the parts would exceed that of the B-400, simply because of the CNC parts, and CF components that it carries throughout the machine, fiberglass canopy etc. etc....
Since I'am already familiar with the Trex, and already carry a good selection of parts in the parts bin, I'am thinking for my situation it would prove to be the best choice... For others, it could be different as everyone has there own situations present...
The power to weight ratio of the blade 400 in the April edition states the power to weight ratio is EXCELLENT, and exceeds that of a Trex... They say the B-400 fully loaded is about 595 grams, and I believe the Trex SE-V2 is around 740 grams fully loaded... Big diff...
One thing they said to increase cyclic response in the 400 for 3-D pilots is to lose the weighted flybar paddles, and swap them with some Align ones, as the difference was quite noticeable.
Not sure on whose parts are cheaper, as that is going to be tonight's mission and along with checking on the Trex 500 parts expense...
I'am thinking your next heli for where you are already at in your skills, and where you will be in the near future may be the Trex 500. It seems like a real winner doing all the research that I have recently done. But that's another story, so we're not going there now...!...Lol..
Oh..... BTW... I ran the JR DS285's in my Trex for quite awhile and liked them a lot, they were digital and carried a faster speed, but less torque then the HS65 MG's which I'am running in the Trex right now. The 65's offer much less 'noise' than the JR's did for me as the 65's are not digital... At my stage in the game, I don't need fast cyclic, but strength for my crashes as I'am learning, so going non-digital is working for me at the moment, and less fear of a brown-out occuring with the Spektrum electronics that sometimes can happen, but rarely from an overload happening. The digital jobber's draw much more juice so to speak... The diff is the Jr's are about $47.00 compared to the HS 65MG's which are about $37.00.... The Jr's were a tad smaller, but hardly noticeable. I had one MG JR on the elevator, and the other two were regular nylon gears which eventually stripped out due to crashes... The HS65 MG's weigh a half gram more than the JR DS285 MG's. I'am scared to not run anything metal geared for right now, as I'am still in a learning curve, but later will go for the Karbonite gears...
Alright, back to some homework !
Take care Jim,
~ Jeff
Jim ~
I've read about the dampners wearing very quickly in my RC-Heli magazines... The Align ones are better, but still don't last to long... The best ones that the majority of the Trex guys are running in there heli's are the Trueblood's. They supposively outlast any other, and perform extremely well and offer an affordable price among that. http://www.readyheli.com/TREX_V2_Hea...dampeners2.htm Not sure on the compatibilty for the B-400, but if the Align ones are fitting, I'am thinking they'll work also...
Other weak links that were reviewed in my April and September's 2008 issues of RC-Heli magazine showed the stock servos needed replaced right off the bat, and along with the tail servo, and gyro among that... And of course the dampners, which was causing mushy cyclic response along with some of the stock head components developing slop faster than the norm...
There was a lot of positive feedback however, and is a great heli for the money...
The combo is $400.00, and the Trex 450 SE V2 is $449.00 at my LHS here which includes the motor, esc, and blades... I'am thinking that may be my route, as purchasing the servo's I would still have to do on the 400, along with the gyro and tail servo among that, and the quality of the parts would exceed that of the B-400, simply because of the CNC parts, and CF components that it carries throughout the machine, fiberglass canopy etc. etc....
Since I'am already familiar with the Trex, and already carry a good selection of parts in the parts bin, I'am thinking for my situation it would prove to be the best choice... For others, it could be different as everyone has there own situations present...
The power to weight ratio of the blade 400 in the April edition states the power to weight ratio is EXCELLENT, and exceeds that of a Trex... They say the B-400 fully loaded is about 595 grams, and I believe the Trex SE-V2 is around 740 grams fully loaded... Big diff...
One thing they said to increase cyclic response in the 400 for 3-D pilots is to lose the weighted flybar paddles, and swap them with some Align ones, as the difference was quite noticeable.
Not sure on whose parts are cheaper, as that is going to be tonight's mission and along with checking on the Trex 500 parts expense...
I'am thinking your next heli for where you are already at in your skills, and where you will be in the near future may be the Trex 500. It seems like a real winner doing all the research that I have recently done. But that's another story, so we're not going there now...!...Lol..
Oh..... BTW... I ran the JR DS285's in my Trex for quite awhile and liked them a lot, they were digital and carried a faster speed, but less torque then the HS65 MG's which I'am running in the Trex right now. The 65's offer much less 'noise' than the JR's did for me as the 65's are not digital... At my stage in the game, I don't need fast cyclic, but strength for my crashes as I'am learning, so going non-digital is working for me at the moment, and less fear of a brown-out occuring with the Spektrum electronics that sometimes can happen, but rarely from an overload happening. The digital jobber's draw much more juice so to speak... The diff is the Jr's are about $47.00 compared to the HS 65MG's which are about $37.00.... The Jr's were a tad smaller, but hardly noticeable. I had one MG JR on the elevator, and the other two were regular nylon gears which eventually stripped out due to crashes... The HS65 MG's weigh a half gram more than the JR DS285 MG's. I'am scared to not run anything metal geared for right now, as I'am still in a learning curve, but later will go for the Karbonite gears...
Alright, back to some homework !
Take care Jim,
~ Jeff
See I didn't have a good computer radio to start with or I would have gone for a V2 T-Rex. Pricig it all out I would have spent more then the wife would tolerate! By buying the B400 I now have the DX6i (and HS65's too!) and am that much ahead of the game when I want to move up. I also fele that as I learn 3D I am better off with the plastic parts as they are less expensive to replace going through the learning process. I'm viewing this as my 3D learning platform with my eye toward much better once I use it up!
Jim
09-26-2008 | 07:21 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
Mikey ~
How's this for needles in a hay-stack.... Lets see.... A long time ago, you used to live on Lake Avenue Dr, in Ohio... Then came after that, Emerald Dr in Ohio, then.... Well we won't say but I'am thinking it begins with an 'R'...? At least your name is original... Mine is Jeffrey Michael Smith ! When I used to get pulled over in my younger crazy days from high speed chases, (of the ones they at least caught me that is...LMAO), but the law enforcement officer would ask my name, and after I said Jeff Smith, he would be like, ya right... What is it ?!! Go figure....!
Jim ~
If I didn't already have the DX-7, I would have jumped all over the B-400 in a heartbeat ! Just recently, I've been hearing guys who bought one since they now have the DX6i, are ditching the 400 and wanting something better... So I've been leary on maybe getting one and focusing on other prospects possibly. That's good you replaced your dampners, as most will overlook those...
Dave ~
Don't let Vic know about them servos ! He'll be sneakin' over digging in your parts bin for those 'jewels'...Lol..! [8D]
Alright, got some work to do...
Take care all,
~ Jeff
How's this for needles in a hay-stack.... Lets see.... A long time ago, you used to live on Lake Avenue Dr, in Ohio... Then came after that, Emerald Dr in Ohio, then.... Well we won't say but I'am thinking it begins with an 'R'...? At least your name is original... Mine is Jeffrey Michael Smith ! When I used to get pulled over in my younger crazy days from high speed chases, (of the ones they at least caught me that is...LMAO), but the law enforcement officer would ask my name, and after I said Jeff Smith, he would be like, ya right... What is it ?!! Go figure....!
Jim ~
If I didn't already have the DX-7, I would have jumped all over the B-400 in a heartbeat ! Just recently, I've been hearing guys who bought one since they now have the DX6i, are ditching the 400 and wanting something better... So I've been leary on maybe getting one and focusing on other prospects possibly. That's good you replaced your dampners, as most will overlook those...
Dave ~
Don't let Vic know about them servos ! He'll be sneakin' over digging in your parts bin for those 'jewels'...Lol..! [8D]
Alright, got some work to do...
Take care all,
~ Jeff
09-26-2008 | 07:38 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
ORIGINAL: J-MICHAEL
Mikey ~
How's this for needles in a hay-stack.... Lets see.... A long time ago, you used to live on Lake Avenue Dr, in Ohio... Then came after that, Emerald Dr in Ohio, then.... Well we won't say but I'am thinking it begins with an 'R'...? At least your name is original... Mine is Jeffrey Michael Smith ! When I used to get pulled over in my younger crazy days from high speed chases, (of the ones they at least caught me that is...LMAO), but the law enforcement officer would ask my name, and after I said Jeff Smith, he would be like, ya right... What is it ?!! Go figure....!
Jim ~
If I didn't already have the DX-7, I would have jumped all over the B-400 in a heartbeat ! Just recently, I've been hearing guys who bought one since they now have the DX6i, are ditching the 400 and wanting something better... So I've been leary on maybe getting one and focusing on other prospects possibly. That's good you replaced your dampners, as most will overlook those...
Dave ~
Don't let Vic know about them servos ! He'll be sneakin' over digging in your parts bin for those 'jewels'...Lol..! [8D]
Alright, got some work to do...
Take care all,
~ Jeff
Mikey ~
How's this for needles in a hay-stack.... Lets see.... A long time ago, you used to live on Lake Avenue Dr, in Ohio... Then came after that, Emerald Dr in Ohio, then.... Well we won't say but I'am thinking it begins with an 'R'...? At least your name is original... Mine is Jeffrey Michael Smith ! When I used to get pulled over in my younger crazy days from high speed chases, (of the ones they at least caught me that is...LMAO), but the law enforcement officer would ask my name, and after I said Jeff Smith, he would be like, ya right... What is it ?!! Go figure....!
Jim ~
If I didn't already have the DX-7, I would have jumped all over the B-400 in a heartbeat ! Just recently, I've been hearing guys who bought one since they now have the DX6i, are ditching the 400 and wanting something better... So I've been leary on maybe getting one and focusing on other prospects possibly. That's good you replaced your dampners, as most will overlook those...
Dave ~
Don't let Vic know about them servos ! He'll be sneakin' over digging in your parts bin for those 'jewels'...Lol..! [8D]
Alright, got some work to do...
Take care all,
~ Jeff
You bet I will!!!! Hey guys, seriously...instead of the B400 or whatever, EXI-450. I was impressed enough with the first to buy a second. You pick the ESC, servos, gyro, motor, and radio system....you WONT be sorry. Buy the standard model, it's a dead ringer for a T-Rex. I DONT like the flimpsey skid system that comes with it but other than that...it's a very well made heli without issues out of the box. Another feature you might not like is the plastic 325mm blades. they're fine for scale flight, but I'd consider woodies if I were gonna learn loops and rolls. If I didn't believe this, I wouldn't have said it. I'm sure the T-Rex is a fine heli, I have alot of align parts left from the MX-400's, they're quality parts, but as far as the heli....why pay x2 unless you can afford it. Just my $.02 worth.
09-26-2008 | 08:03 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
ORIGINAL: choppersrule
Mikey,
Your full name has a nice ring to it... I'm part german, and hungarian.. Oh, are you related to the Vancooney Trash Service there at
33458 Bailey Run Rd Pomeroy OH 45769-9673. Here's the site: http://www.ratepoint.com/companies/1...ces-pomeroy-oh
If I'm right, I qualify for, "finding a needle in a hay stack".
Dave
Mikey,
Your full name has a nice ring to it... I'm part german, and hungarian.. Oh, are you related to the Vancooney Trash Service there at
33458 Bailey Run Rd Pomeroy OH 45769-9673. Here's the site: http://www.ratepoint.com/companies/1...ces-pomeroy-oh
If I'm right, I qualify for, "finding a needle in a hay stack".
Dave
ORIGINAL: mikey1964
Hey guys since where on a first name basis check this name out Clifford Michael Vancooney, thats my given name i'm indian german and who knows what else.
Hey guys since where on a first name basis check this name out Clifford Michael Vancooney, thats my given name i'm indian german and who knows what else.
09-26-2008 | 08:16 PM
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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
Vic ~
I hear ya there...! I was just telling broggyr that over in the 'Struggling With Single Rotor Basics' thread today, as he was asking about it... I told him its the same damn thing as a Trex, but your not paying for the Align name...LMAO.. Woopee Doo there ! Sure, there's a few things like the skids or whatever that might need to be upgraded, but come-on.... Those little things are pennies compared to the dollars you would save on getting the EXI...
Of course, then there's me.... I suppose I like those 'cool factor' things as the Align name...LMFAO ! [&:] One expensive ***** badge there eh ?!
Hey..... Look......!...... My very first heli ! Wow.... Things sure are different now ..... I never could get that piece of crap to fly ! Then I had to get the CPP, and still can't get it to fly...Lol..[:@] But.... All is well now as the CX2, and the Trex have proven to be winners and I'am glad I stuck through the frustrations in the beginning..... And I'am even more happy to see Kyle, Mike, and Scott also do the same and move up into the belt-driven heli's..... We saved them guys.... I think we lost Tim however.... But hey, like I say..... If you can just save one...... It's all worth it !
Take care gents,
~ Jeff
I hear ya there...! I was just telling broggyr that over in the 'Struggling With Single Rotor Basics' thread today, as he was asking about it... I told him its the same damn thing as a Trex, but your not paying for the Align name...LMAO..
Woopee Doo there ! Sure, there's a few things like the skids or whatever that might need to be upgraded, but come-on.... Those little things are pennies compared to the dollars you would save on getting the EXI... Of course, then there's me.... I suppose I like those 'cool factor' things as the Align name...LMFAO ! [&:] One expensive ***** badge there eh ?!
Hey..... Look......!...... My very first heli ! Wow.... Things sure are different now ..... I never could get that piece of crap to fly ! Then I had to get the CPP, and still can't get it to fly...Lol..[:@] But.... All is well now as the CX2, and the Trex have proven to be winners and I'am glad I stuck through the frustrations in the beginning..... And I'am even more happy to see Kyle, Mike, and Scott also do the same and move up into the belt-driven heli's..... We saved them guys.... I think we lost Tim however.... But hey, like I say..... If you can just save one...... It's all worth it !
Take care gents,
~ Jeff
