With the new wave of advertising through the internet I see it is easy to unload a glorified paper weight disguised as valuable engine. I am amazed at the continual misleading and flat out deceptive ways of getting rid of a engine. For those of you starting out in this hobby, buyer beware you may not be getting what you pay for. I've been flying for 20 years and have experience in flying everything from slow to fast, and small to large. I have built a few 100cc engines and probably trained more people than I care remember. I see engines today that have prop strikes to complete destruction and they are being advertised as, like new, bench test only, never been in the air, mint in the box, only one or two gallons through it, etc., when in reality they are used and abused, or it's impossible to tell without using a dial indicator on it or looking inside to see if the crank twisted from that last prop strike. I have a suggestion for those of you buying an engine to call a manufacturer to see what all can happen to an engine when there is a simple thing such as a prop strike, to planting one. For those of you selling your mishaps, call them what they are, parts only. I have copied a few ads from past postings so you might educate yourself before spending your money on something that has no guarantee.

I had two new motors shipped to me in the same box and the other one knocked a couple of the cooling fins off of this one. ( Why didn't he return it?)

This motor has a bent fin due to my grandson accidentally pulling the motor off bench while looking at it! This will not affect the engine at all. (And now we know why the crank wobbles)

NEW, RUN ONLY TWO TIMES ON THE ENGINE TEST TABLE. (3rd time it came off and went airborne).

So, I will sell my engine with mufflers, no ignition or prop drive. We can discuss shipping. The previous owner dropped it while installing in the plane and broke a small section off of two cylinder cooling fins. (In most cases when hitting the ground at speeds excessive to 80 mph there's not much left, it gets wiped off onto the ground. (No ignition, prop drive, minus a few fins).

This is a new Brison 3.2 with a gallon of fuel ran through it. (with or without oil mix?)


I HAVE A G-23 USED ONLY ONE TIME ON A SUKOY AIRPLANE, COMES WITH (NEW MUFFLER AND NEW PROP). (Those have to be replaced often when nosing over).

I have a bench tested Brison 4.2 that is absolutely mint condition with ignition. (I see this a lot, Oh yeah they all get bench tested only. I fly with over 150 pilots per year from 60 mile radius and have rarely met any that take the time to bench test or break in.)

Posting for a friend. (Try to find their friend after you make payment, who should I make this check out to??)

This was a add from a auction site: Offered for sale is a like new Zenoah G-62 model airplane engine. It has only been bench run. It spins a 22" prop like a toothpick. It turned out to be too powerful for the airplane it was purchased for (turned out that a G-28 was enough) and so it is now offered for sale. If you know your way around big, gasoline powered engines you should jump on this item right away. (First off its a G-23 and that's along way off from a G-62 in size. Second, how does one get that attractive scrape mark on the fly wheel, perhaps the flywheel isn't turning true and rubbing against the coil? [see picture])

I am sorry but I have to disagree about the photo being a g23,ag23 dosen't have the coil up front it could be a 45 or 62 mabey but then im no expert and the g23 has the plug strait up in the center of the cylinder if im not mistaken,did you get ripped off by someone

Hey Ken your looking at a G-62 and he's showing the rub marks that on hub! You know most plane are gon in a few second by a crappy engine, and there's nothing worse thjan getting to the field with a new engine that won't run! If you sell one why not be honest and tell it like it is?

Unfortunately people can be very deceptive and dishonest when trying to unload junk for the "all mighty" dollar! To speak to the topic of miss advertising... I was browsing Ebay Motors one day in the VW Bug section and I saw a very nice, red "1998" Bug up for auction in Florida. I had a 98 Bug so I know there is one blaring "tell tale" sign that only the 98's have, or should I say don't have... The first year reintroduced VW Beetle (1998) did not come with side marker lights that are located right below the side view mirrors. I had to do it, I sent the gentleman an Email stating these facts and asked him what he is trying to do. He sent back to me a message that he doesn't have a picture of his bug but the one he posted looks "just like" his. I looked at the Ebay add about 20 minutes later and saw that he didn't change anything in the add except to edit the photo to delete the side marker light! As stated... Buyer beware...

Justrfb

So the point is, We should only buy brand new engines from a local hobby shop, Right............

And cyberspace. For your information, there is absolutely nothing wrong with my engine :stupid:

If your going to troll the board and stir up the pot, stir the whole pot and get the whole story. If you care to do a search on the whole story, I did an angine swap on my Edge.
I decided to leave my old ignition in the plane because there is nothing wrong with it, I used the prop hub and bolts because there was nothing wrong with them, and I put a relatively low time carb on the engine because it was fine. Have you ever been in competition and on the road and need spare parts. I have Now I have a spare ignition, carb and prop hub with bolts if I need them. What's wrong with that, and what IS your point :spinnyeye
Maybe spectrumhobbies sells engines...

spectrumhobbies
One comment about your observation on the rub marks on the G62 flywheel. I've had three G62s and when the mag gap is set to specifications, they have all had rub marks on the flywheel without ever having had a prop strike.

You sure must have been stung to have such a distrusting attitude. Sorry it happened.

Better luck next time,
Ken

I've had someone try that with me. I bought something from ebay and got shafted outta the deal.

Then I became my own detective. After much completely-legal hunting on the internet I found him and gave him a call (he'd listed a bogus number). It's amazing what happens when you use [email protected] for an email. Esp. when your name's on a local flying club's contact page. Turned out he was about 14 so I worked the details out with his parents. I told them of the gross and obvious lie that was his ad and we worked it out.

I figure they grounded him for life.

While I'm sure that many good engines are sold on the internet, I've even sold some. The phone call that make us cringe is the one that starts with " I just bought an engine off the internet".
If I had a buck for every A&M clunker that was sold as a Walker or Plane Plus Eaglet I could buy a 35% Cap with engine.
Pictures help, but hands on is best. Like they say " buyer beware"

We do not carry Zenoahs, DA, 3W, J&A, Brison, BME, US, etc. However, I do carry one entry level engine: the Cheetah 42cc and I'll bet most of you would be hard pressed to point one out on your field. There are usually one of two things that put a experienced pilot in the ground, 1st being radio and most the time that's due to battery maintenance, 2nd a bad engine which can be prevented by spending that little extra towards a new one. Since you manage to mention that we are a hobby shop and we do not carry large gassers for our customers, I speak from experience. I hear the sob stories 90% against buying and wishing they had spent that little extra to buy a new engine. One of my favorites was a customer of ours that purchased a G-62 out of the sale ad of one the popular magazines, after receiving it he found it did not have the back shaft for the spring starter to go onto, and why is that? Its very simple, when you bend the front shaft after planting one the ground simply pull the engine apart and flip the back shaft to the front, now you have a front shaft that runs straight and you finish by cutting off the back shaft, make up a good story like I didn't need the extra weight and these G-62s there easy to start by hand without a spring starter (yeah right) and hope the person that gets stuck with this engine doesn't open it to see that throws on the crank are twisted. Have you ever heard that tune by Beach Boys? I'VE GOT GOOD VIBRATIONS.

I agree, what is the point here? Which is better, and honest post describing what the history of the engine is, and any damage/missing parts, etc, or those other posts that say something like "OS 46, $65 plus shipping"? If you describe the condition of the engine, and offer to stand behind the sale if the engine is not as decribed, the buyer is covered. The buyer needs to know to ask the right questions and get a commitment that the seller stands behind the engine. If it is "as is", you take your chances. Every once in a while a turd takes advantage of somebody, I have had it happen to me, but overall the system seems to work well, with a few precautions!

I have sold a few engines on the net and always give a money back guarantee. That goes for anything I sell, thats the way I would want it so thats what I give.

Spectrum-


FYI, that photo is a G-62, not a G-23. Direct form Horizon's website (Zenoah US distributor):

The G-62

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...62A&pc=ZENE62A

The G-23

http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...p?prod=ZENE23A


Hope that helps,
Jeremy

Jeremy, nothing gets past you now does it, perhaps you should read Nicks posting its the 3rd one down, also you might read the listing which starts out: Offered for sale is a like new Zenoah G-62 model airplane engine.

I do appreciate you showing the good folks out there that the flywheel on a G-62 comes with out the scrape.

I only posted the photos to be helpful, in response to your comment that it was a G-23 (in the parentheses). I've seen these threads turn into a "its X" "no its Y" "no its X" "no its Y" debate many times. I was just trying to give some info from the source and didn't expect to get flamed for it.

I've never owned a G-62 so I wont comment on this.


Jeremy

Hey Guys, don't get to hard on Spectrum! I know him quite well and if you knew him you would know he cares more about the fellow flyer more than 99% of the rest of us do. The fact is what he is saying is true, and if you don't think so just look around at the field! How many times have you seen a plane go in because of a engine out? I can tell you alot, and most of the time it's because of a old or problem engine that was bought cheap! You that have had the years of flying under your belts know it's true and you useuly avoid that person at all cost because the last thing you want is a night or day full of tinkering with a engine that has a good chgance of putting that pretty airplane into a million pieces because of a flame out. I'm a little different, I watch the person that is tinkering untill he gets it running and then I pull up a chair and watch a good crash or some of the most comical flights I've ever seen in my life. Of course I sit beside something I can dive into or under if you know what I mean. Then after the crash I offer $5 for the crash to rub it in a little. (If you Even Spectrumthink I'm makeing this up just ask anyone around this area, most have been offered $5 ) Now I will tell you how Spectum handles his engines, A engine is never carried by the hub because a bump or jar may bend the crank. You never take off untill you know the engine is right! (only guy I know who uses more sylicone than a implant shop, but there willl be no air leaks on his engines)
So guys it's not the hobbyshop that runs this article it's the truth and we must accept what is said is true. If you say you have never sold junk your lying if you haver every had a ASP and own one no more! Nuf said.

Oh and I run G-62's all the time and no rub marks here! ( I clean em off)

It's a shame, but the honesty of his post gets lost in his attitude. Why start out on a board like this trying to be "holier than thou".
Turns good people off. Now when someone thinks of a place called spectrumhobbies, this arrogant post will come to mind:drowning: I don't get it_bob

Spectrum hobbies makes several good points, you need to be sure of what you are buying. This goes for engines or any other thing you are buying. There is nothing wrong with purchasing a used engine as long as you do your homework and know who you are dealing with. I have a feeling several of the listing mentioned were from E-bay. I buy and sell on e-bay all the time. One thing I check out is the users feedback rating. If they have alot of negative feedback, I would avoid them at all costs. There are some good deals to be found but if you are not careful you can get ripped off. I recently purchased a demo 3w-240 from Bobby at Cactus Aviation, engine looked new and he included a 3yr warranty, even threw in a prop. I saved about 500 bucks by going this route. Point is he is a reputable business man who stands behind what he sells. I would not hesitate to purchase a used engine from him.

I think Giant Scale just drove home the point that Spectrum is trying to make! Do your homework and look between the lines before you buy a engine . Hey bob don't get to carried away. it's only a point of view and why not have a little fun doing it!

Don't be afraid to get a hold of someone who lives in the same area that the seller is, and have them take a look at the engine or other things you are going to buy here on line. Most modelers will gladly help another modeler out with this. It could just save you a lot of grief in the long run, and some hard earned money as well. I certainly would drive a 1/2 hour to check out a used engine for someone, as I would hope they would do the same for me. Don't be afraid to pass up that too good to be true deal, because it probably is.

This statement concerned me a bit as a moderator.

This and other boards are not always fun. When you mix personality, ego, money and power it sometimes misses the point. Trolling boards and forums is not to be taken lightly.
Let's face it, some people just have too much time on their hands. On top of that there is an underlying theme of "notice me", "here I am", and"give me your attention" by lots of the people posting to the popular boards and lists. If you have something to prove, enter a competition and show us all what your made of. That speaks loudly and in turn speaks for itself.
Marc, the owner of this board is way better at analyzing personalities than I will ever be so nuff said there.

The "caveat emptor" thing is fine, but for a new member to start out attacking me and others for things he doesn't know about doesn't make sense. I'm a nice guy and willing to help anyone that needs it, but don't make statements about me or something I own and expect me to lay down about it. As far as I can see, this thread has reached it's maximum potential_bob

Bob Why does this subject bother you so much?

How about some REAL facts...I have been repairing Zenoah engines for 15 years..A G62 with a bent shaft CAN NOT be repaired by turning the shaft around and cutting off the rear part..
A shaft is usually bent AND twisted..Turning it around will not fix the twist..A straight, not twisted crank will NOT rub on the source coil...RC........

To infer that all used deals are suspect and disaster ridden is silly,and not rooted in reality.The apparent attitude of the thread starter is unusual to say the least.To assume that only new purchases are safe is false security too,witness the current problems at Brison.
There are many things you can do to ensure a fair exchange starting with dealing only with people you know,or dealing with high input count members of R/C sites like this one.,or those on good guy lists.The trend to photos helps too.....
I have bought and sold many glow and gas engines on the net,and have no complaints on any I have bought and no returns on any I sold.I describe the engine Im selling as acurately as I can,ask a fair price,and after the price is agreed to ,live up to my part of the bargain to the letter.I always throw in a little extra too like a prop after the fact,and follow up the sale with a howgozit note a few weeks later.
Incidentally,every G62 I ever saw,including mine had those scrape marks.......what do you expect? Theres about 10 thou clearance between the magnets and coil and dirt and dust is stirred up,and the magnets will pick up any ferrous material, every time you run the engine on the ground,so of course it gets marked up......and it means nothing and has no affect on the performance of the engine......

bob-nj

Are you the same person that was on RC Showcase? That sold kits after using them for templates and keeping the hardware and selling them the kits minus hardware and tried to sell them for $15-20 less then a new kit?
Wasp, Top Cap, ect.

Just wondering.