Clone...dont think so.

Im sure these are made at the exact same shop as the JHH kit :-)


look at the decals

No that's not a clone..............It's an ABDUCTION! .....An AMD Hawk with a JJ-1400, curious indeed! LOL

John

That kit was made abroad for JHH. Not JHH designed but contracted. Apparently someone else has bought the rights, or maybe several companies have in corresponding countries. Should be a great seller. Yes the JJ1400 will be MORE than enough power. We ran one last week and it was awesome. No problems. I guess the upgrades have worked, the more of these that hit the market the more feedback positive or negative the community will have. Russ

I Bought a JHH Hawk and the instructions had AMD all over it. Also I think Larry at JHH sell the turbine convertion kit for about $300. Be carefull on the Flaps, when the flaps are applied the nose pitches down pretty hard. Lost mine that way, Low, slow and nose down was not a good combo. As for the planes flight performance, It was great. Tracked strait and true. Awsome plane . Iwill be getting another one very soon. I had the O.S.91 with a ramtec fan.

Question for SJN, Did the engine mounts come that way? It looks like it was made for a turbine. Did you specify turbine when you bought the plane.

Yea, I have not glued any bits to it yet

Looking at the instructions the DF fits perfectly in there.....so it is meant for it.

But....the turbine also fits like a glove in there


Which retracts did you use in yours ?
The wires struts that come with the kit have no curled spring on them to take the force of a landing..... did yuo use them, or some other struts ?

Found some pics with a wren installed..

I Used the the wire that came with the plane. Didn't have any problem with them, would like to find scale ones though. Also please let me know how the turbine runs and how reliable it is. I am thinking of getting the same setup as you.

Better check all the former to fuselage joints. I noticed on some kits that there are large gaps and they also don't stick well. The epoxy AMD uses are not top rated. I hope their export kits are better than the local ones.

Hi All,

This AMD is a knock-off of JHH's Hawk. AMD is selling the Hawk and uses Larry Wolfe and Jet Hangar's name without paying Larry a penny. I don't recommend anyone of us buying knock-off that use the designers' names without the designer's permission. This is a clear violation of copy-right. Check out JHH's website for more info on the unauthorized copy.

I owned 1 Hawk but crashed it during a cross wind landing. When I try to find a replacement , I checked out the AMD's knock-off. I did not like the constructions at all for it's poor quality and missing parts. I don't think AMD really know what they are doing. Putting a turbine on this plane is suicidal. Just be careful.
I think you better call Jet Hangar to find out more details on these knock-offs.

Hawk flyer

nah...I know it will fly.

I saw the Wren team fly the AMD hawk at a meeting here in Denamrk with a wren Super sport. It coud handle it. Although they did not make full throttle passes with it


Besides, this thing is glued pretty well together. Im confident that it will hold up for turbine flight.


Heres a short clip I took of the wren team: http://bornholm.adsl.dk/modelfly/fil...rup%20Hawk.wmv

Keep the updates coming SJN. Kit looks really nice. Whats your opinion on the quality? Were the glue joints of all the formers good?

Hi SJN

I fly the Hawk before buy it from Singapore, AMD model, i use the standar landing gear work ok!
this model is the same of JHH, Please post all detail about the turbine JJ1400 please and video i think i will go for the same kit, whit a price tag of 350USD for this place you cant go wrong!

cheers

I think there has been a misconception about the AMD-JHH hawk. The first one is the JHH never made the ARF hawk here in the US, it was manufactured in China from the get go. The factory that JHH got the hawk from is still making the hawk, I suspect that the contract expired with JHH or they wanted to increase sales so they started selling to other distributors, which I tend to believe, I think JHH was just selling the hawk for way too much $$$ and the factory probably wanted to increase sales, look at the market there are a ton of fiberglass fused warbirds the same size as the hawk selling for less than $400 and they are of good quality there is no reason why this hawk needed to be $750, I think the JHH site may have more emotion than fact on it about the newer hawks.. imo

I have owned both an Original JHH hawk, and a newer model AMD hawk purchased from www.kmp.ca and I can say without a doubt that the KMP (AMD) hawk is built a "LOT" better than the original JHH hawk that I owned. The main difference was the finish of the fiberglass and the installation of the formers. The one purchased from KMP has a flawless finish and does not have the unsightly seem running down the middle of it like the original JHH, and the one purchased from KMP doesn't have any gaps in any of the formers in the fuse the original JHH one that I had had a ton of gaps in the formers and didn't feel as solid as the new KMP one. I have yet to fly my new one, but i will report here how it flies, however I can say from pure construction stand point it is a HUGE improvement over the original JHH hawk.

Dear Hawkflyer,

As far as i know the JHH Hawk and AMD hawk are made in exactly the same factory. I visited the oem factory in mainland China last year. I do not know the story cause i was not there to check out the Hawks. I only noticed the production line and i was told it was for JHH.

Regards

There IS NO jhh hawk. It was a china factory kit that was imported. Larry did not design it. Much like Cermarks MB. i THINK there was a logistics/shipping issue that made the deal fall through with JHH. Of course some people will call foul but the fact is that it simply is a non-issue. Russ

This sounds like an assumption...I know, I used to think this way too.

However, the following was pointed out from the JHH web site:

The whole slituation is pretty confusing for consumers. A lot of us don't really want to support intelectual theft, but there may be original designed and built Hawks being thrown under the "clone" umbrella" when they shouldn't be. But then again, maybe not.........

Right On...

Ok guys, there seems to be a lot of speculation running around in this thread. Here are the facts:

The JHH/AMD Hawk WAS designed by Larry Wolfe of JHH and manufactured by AMD under contract. During the course of production, AMD and the factory the Hawk was being made at for AMD split and AMD began production in their own factory supposedly to have taken the molds with them. Well while AMD began production in their factories, the other factory was back dooring copies of the Hawk without permission. There were continual QC issues that were present and we sent back quite a few rejected parts. Also, as more and more copies started surfacing, we decided to discountinue sales of the airplane. We have seen first hand that there are now no less than FOUR DIFFERENT FACTORIES selling copies of these Hawks with more seeming to pop up all the time. All of them that we have seen have had defects in the design aspects regardless of how well they are precieved to have been constructed. Additionally, quite a few of the deffective parts that were sent back to China seem to have found their way back into these copies. We took a considerable amount of time and effort inspecting each kit sold to ensure quality of the product and in many cases replaced defective parts as required. I can garauntee that these other companies are NOT doing that. When you consider that most of these internet shops list the airplane for use with a 4-cycle ducted fan engine, kind of makes you wonder, huh?

By the way, this is the short version of the story. I can fully document things further but find no value added in doing so here. These are the important facts that need to be known. Bottom line is these are all copies floating around and they have our name on them (yes, they even copied the box art!).

So, all I can say is BUYER BEWARE. We can not offer product support for any of these copies.


Chris Wolfe

P.S. SJN, thanks for giving credit for posting pictures from our website.

hehe Chris, Sorry about the credits. I have scoured the net for pics of the hawk and downloadedthem so I can build it right, and have found 67 pics of it.
I cant remember where they are all downloaded from.

Sounds to me that the hawk that JHH sold is still being produced by at least one if not 2 factories (the original AMD that split) , and the other 2 factories are the imitations. So why would the one being produced by the AMD factory that admitedly produced all of the original JHH hawks not have the same quality????

As I said before I bought mine from www.kmp.ca (do a search for them here on RCU great planes and customer service) , they explained that their Hawks came from the original factory. They have also offered great customer service and advertise the plane with the correct engines. I have not run into anything that is of bad quality in the kit at all, the fit and finish is terrific all around.

BTW
I'm not connected to either company just sharing my experiences

Whoever,whatever company made my Hawk, the quality of my kit is great. Couldn`t be more pleased about it.

But, there are some very minor flaws.

The ply servo lids/hatches are too large for the aileron servo bays in the wings....but easily cut to shape.
There are some pre-covered balsa lids that fit over the retract bays, and these are too small.
Also, the servo tray in the rear of the plane for the elevator and rudder servo, does not fit. It has to be trimmed down for it to fit, and then glued in.

But that is nothing to cry about [8D]

Um, not quite. The point is that unless it came from the AMD factory or us, it's an unauthorized copy. The other factory stole the intellectual property for the design and is selling them as if they were from AMD. All of the factories are doing this and as I mentioned, we know for a fact that there are at lest 4 DIFFERENT factories doing this. All of these kits are coming out of China with the same labels, stickers, everything that has our name and AMD's name plastered all over it! Can you justify paying for a stolen product that is sold as if it were someone elses product? That's fraud! Anyways, I digress. So, these are the facts. Take it or leave it. Unfortunately, too many people are concerned with the all mighty $$...and not what that $$ actually buys you. Personally, I would much rather buy a product from someone who knows how it works, knows what it takes to make it work, and will always help you anytime you call/email with a question...that's where there's value added to the product. You can't get that from these knockoffs...


SJN, no prob on the pics. I respectfully ask in the future you reference the source. Good luck with the Hawk.



Chris Wolfe

So................................How do you know which one you are getting ????????????????????

(Except for the one from JHH, that is.)

So if AMD still produces the kit why did JHH stop selling them? Sure there may be compitition but if the original factory is still making the kits then wouldn't it be easier to offer a quality product to the consumer than to leave us stuck with "cheap" imitations. Its not like there are a lot of options for a jet this size in the ARF category, I feel this particular plane kind of has its own niche at the moment I just have a feeling that there is 2 sides to this story and I wish we could here directly from someone on the manufacturing side of this story, but I am happy with mine (which I would have bought from JHH if they still sold them) I'll just have to see how it performs in the air.

BTW SJN, on mine the rear servo tray was already installed and my servo hatches fit perfectly into the wing panels. The only modification I did to the entire airframe was add a 6in wide strip of Carbon Fiber to the center section of the wing for extra strength. The one part that didn't fit too well was the belly "tray" (covers the middle of the bottom of the wing) , but then again I've never had a plane that this part fit well, and the end result came out well.