Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
11-23-2006 | 08:00 AM
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Jason, what led you (an electric pioneer) to go back to glow? Is it an authentic decision or a sponsorship thing?
11-23-2006 | 02:44 PM
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I haven't sold my electric stuff, it's all right here.
I haven't sold my electric stuff, it's all right here.
11-25-2006 | 05:21 PM
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What a really kool snap. Now I know HOW you get 'em to fly so good....you beat the hell out of 'em.
Reminds me of scene in the movie Splash where the main character is stuck in a tiny boat in the middle of a sea with the boat's owner. The outboard won't start so the owner pulls out a hammer, starts beating the engine and sez...."I can fix it....I'm mechanical". Really funny Jaz
Reminds me of scene in the movie Splash where the main character is stuck in a tiny boat in the middle of a sea with the boat's owner. The outboard won't start so the owner pulls out a hammer, starts beating the engine and sez...."I can fix it....I'm mechanical". Really funny Jaz
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Lance,
Those are weights as I pulled parts out of the box. Don't forget, the fuselage has a bunch of stuff already installed, and is only missing a rudder/tank/batt/rx tray. The OS weight is including all the parts with a * next to it. Hyde mount, header and pipe. It looks like we probably will change the canopy to a solid composite one to save about 3ozs or so. My list also includes a heavy back plate spinner, a 24oz tank (using a 20) and other than a 2-cell Lipo, I'm not doing anything to make it lighter. I want basic, everyday numbers. Anyone that spends some time with it I'm sure will make it lighter. 9.75lbs... maybe with work, my prediction is 10-10.25lbs. I'm not really a builder
, I think I can hold my own, but I could easily be way off on my predictions.
Jason
Lance,
Those are weights as I pulled parts out of the box. Don't forget, the fuselage has a bunch of stuff already installed, and is only missing a rudder/tank/batt/rx tray. The OS weight is including all the parts with a * next to it. Hyde mount, header and pipe. It looks like we probably will change the canopy to a solid composite one to save about 3ozs or so. My list also includes a heavy back plate spinner, a 24oz tank (using a 20) and other than a 2-cell Lipo, I'm not doing anything to make it lighter. I want basic, everyday numbers. Anyone that spends some time with it I'm sure will make it lighter. 9.75lbs... maybe with work, my prediction is 10-10.25lbs. I'm not really a builder
, I think I can hold my own, but I could easily be way off on my predictions.Jason
11-26-2006 | 09:07 PM
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Exceptional fuse weight. Jaz will he sell me just the fuse?
Matt
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Here are the weights of most everything. Thank you Vince for the chart. We are debating on making the canopy "solid" instead of a clear canopy. It would probably save close to 3ozs. I am missing a rudder/tank/Rx and Batt tray along with the couple little things from below for a final weight. Then I'm sure there are some odds and ends to, but it looks like about 10-10.25lbs. If anyone can think of something to add to the weight list, let me know. And the car works, without the box, just fine Derek. I remove 1 stab half and it slides right up the middle. Oh yea, the * are all weighed as one.
Fuselage 27 (only missing rudder servo tray/tank/batt/Rx trays. Gear plate, rear formers, rudder post and hinges, wings/stabs mounted and aligned, firewall installed)
Belly Pan 2.2
Canopy 4.5
Hatch 2.4
Right Stab 4.1
Left Stab 4.2
Rudder 2.1
Right Wing 14
Left Wing 14
9151 servo x2 3.6
9351 servo 2.2
3002 servo x2 2.6
5102 servo 0.7
Servo screws
200mm ext x4 0.4
400mm ext
1000mm ext x2 1
Futaba 149Rx 1.2
Futaba switch 0.4
Shulman Aviation 6V Reg 0.5
Thunder Power 2-cell 910 battery 1.7
Nose ring 0.1
Tank 24oz Du-Bro 3.1
Fuel line
Fuel dots
Fuel T's
Tru-Turn Jam nut*
Hyde Mount CR MKII*
Engine OS200 EFI* 41 (other * marked objects are included in this weight)
Header*
Canister*
APC 17x13 4.2
Tru-Turn 3 1/4" Spinner Solid BP 2.9
Wing Tube 3.9
Stab Tube 0.4
Main wheels 0.9
Landing Gear 3.2
Wheel Pants 1
Tail Wheel
Total 149.50 ozs
Total lbs 9.34
Here are the weights of most everything. Thank you Vince for the chart. We are debating on making the canopy "solid" instead of a clear canopy. It would probably save close to 3ozs. I am missing a rudder/tank/Rx and Batt tray along with the couple little things from below for a final weight. Then I'm sure there are some odds and ends to, but it looks like about 10-10.25lbs. If anyone can think of something to add to the weight list, let me know. And the car works, without the box, just fine Derek. I remove 1 stab half and it slides right up the middle. Oh yea, the * are all weighed as one.
Fuselage 27 (only missing rudder servo tray/tank/batt/Rx trays. Gear plate, rear formers, rudder post and hinges, wings/stabs mounted and aligned, firewall installed)
Belly Pan 2.2
Canopy 4.5
Hatch 2.4
Right Stab 4.1
Left Stab 4.2
Rudder 2.1
Right Wing 14
Left Wing 14
9151 servo x2 3.6
9351 servo 2.2
3002 servo x2 2.6
5102 servo 0.7
Servo screws
200mm ext x4 0.4
400mm ext
1000mm ext x2 1
Futaba 149Rx 1.2
Futaba switch 0.4
Shulman Aviation 6V Reg 0.5
Thunder Power 2-cell 910 battery 1.7
Nose ring 0.1
Tank 24oz Du-Bro 3.1
Fuel line
Fuel dots
Fuel T's
Tru-Turn Jam nut*
Hyde Mount CR MKII*
Engine OS200 EFI* 41 (other * marked objects are included in this weight)
Header*
Canister*
APC 17x13 4.2
Tru-Turn 3 1/4" Spinner Solid BP 2.9
Wing Tube 3.9
Stab Tube 0.4
Main wheels 0.9
Landing Gear 3.2
Wheel Pants 1
Tail Wheel
Total 149.50 ozs
Total lbs 9.34
11-27-2006 | 04:49 PM
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11-27-2006 | 07:52 PM
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
Hey Jason, could you show some pics of how you mounted the nose ring. I cna see the mount in the picture but would love to get a picture of the actual nose ring in the aircraft.
Thanks,
RG
Thanks,
RG
11-28-2006 | 12:46 AM
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
Not much to look at differently. I'll finish taking pics this week of the plane and final install. Here's a couple of the nose ring, Hyde mount and Hatori pipe mount. And Matt... I'll sell ya anything you want. Peter... see my weight prediction
11-28-2006 | 05:12 PM
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
Hi Jason and JP (Znline)
I have noticed from pictures posted on the ZNline website (Integral Build) that the model in those photos has CF reinforcing in the nose section while the model Jason is assembling has balsa.
Are there going to be 2 versions of the same model with different material specs. What is the marketing approach. I am aware that ZNLine make a builders version which I assume would be based on their typical material (CFG fuse and Foam/Balsa wings) The pictures on the ZN site are definetely Comp-ARF manufacture if you look at the wings and seam line on the fuse.
Peter[sm=confused.gif]
I have noticed from pictures posted on the ZNline website (Integral Build) that the model in those photos has CF reinforcing in the nose section while the model Jason is assembling has balsa.
Are there going to be 2 versions of the same model with different material specs. What is the marketing approach. I am aware that ZNLine make a builders version which I assume would be based on their typical material (CFG fuse and Foam/Balsa wings) The pictures on the ZN site are definetely Comp-ARF manufacture if you look at the wings and seam line on the fuse.
Peter[sm=confused.gif]
11-28-2006 | 06:10 PM
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The carbon nose is now standard. Mine being the first outta the mold does not represent the final product in some ways. The final product will now include many of the parts that were made to finish these.
11-28-2006 | 08:49 PM
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
Maybe we should stop asking the man questions so he can finish the bloody thing. I am looking forward to a flight report.
MattK
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The carbon nose is now standard. Mine being the first outta the mold does not represent the final product in some ways. The final product will now include many of the parts that were made to finish these.
The carbon nose is now standard. Mine being the first outta the mold does not represent the final product in some ways. The final product will now include many of the parts that were made to finish these.
11-29-2006 | 09:42 AM
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
Hi JP,
Keeping an eye on Jason's and your build threads as I have several pre-orders for this model. I did notice in your pics that it looks like you have used a ball link setup on the stab phenolic horn. This is not recommended as this material is extremely strong in a 'straight' direction but does not like twisitng forces that a ball link would put on it. I strongly suggest you change the ball link to a clevis.
Kind regards,
Mark
Keeping an eye on Jason's and your build threads as I have several pre-orders for this model. I did notice in your pics that it looks like you have used a ball link setup on the stab phenolic horn. This is not recommended as this material is extremely strong in a 'straight' direction but does not like twisitng forces that a ball link would put on it. I strongly suggest you change the ball link to a clevis.
Kind regards,
Mark
11-29-2006 | 11:26 AM
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
I should add that with well over a 100 flights on one of my electric powered Impacts there is absolutely no slop when using a Tetra clevis into the Composite ARF phenolic horns.
I doubt this would be the case with an oily power source though!
Malcolm
I doubt this would be the case with an oily power source though!
Malcolm
11-29-2006 | 11:39 AM
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I have been flying on OTOP noe for the past two years, and have used ball links on the clevis, and the servo horn. without any porblems. just my .02 cents.
11-29-2006 | 11:45 AM
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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread
RGREEN24, WE JUST BOUGHT AN OTOP, COULD YOU SHARE SOME PICTURES OF YOUR SETUP, AND DETAILS, WE'RE NEW TO PATTERN. We're IMAC FLYERS, HOWEVER REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRECISION YOU FOLKS ARE FLYING. THKS
DON
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