IT FLYS!!!!!!!

Yes ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased to say that my C50 flies.

Finally got it in the air today, three flights in total. More tomorrow (this could get addictive)

OK flight report from first three flights:

Disappointments:
- I had more roll and pitch coupling on rudder than I was expecting in knife edge, nothing major and easy to correct.
- I was hoping downlines would be straight, but it tends to pull out.
(I'm thinking of pushing the CoG forward a bit, which may reduce both of these)
- The position of the elevator servo means you get funny angles on the linkage, so I dont get even throw, and it is hard to increase the throw from what I have at the moment.
- I need a bit more side thrust

Thats about it really,

Plus points:
- its fantastic!

The Saito 72 had no trouble pulling it around and straight up.

Now bear in mind I have never done these things ever before, by the third flight I was getting the hang of parachutes, elevators and walls. Keving (3drcheli) was surprised that I managed to go from an elevator into a harrier. This is something he hasnt managed yet.

Had a few goes at blenders, but I need to work on them. Need to work on the timing of throttle on the tumbling manouvers as well.

Did a knife edge cuban eight (never done one of them before either ), and may have a go at knife edge loops tomorrow.

Still quite a bit of sorting out to do. I have already increased the throw on the elvators and rudder, and decreased on ailerons. We'll see how that goes tomorrow.

Major work will be to move the battery further forward, and to put in more side thrust. May do them tomorrow afternoon.

Well, this plane is far too much fun. should be banned, it cant be healthy

Archie, nice photos should be sent to you tomorrow.

Sprink. If you are pulling out on vertical downlines!! My money says your "Nose heavy" not tail heavy You will also find the knife edge will change and the responce from the tail paddles

Did you try a simple inverted pass That would have given you a good guide

Sounds like you had fun [8D]

Sprink, with the servos down the back I would say you want the battery up front.
Surprised about elevator throw... shouldnt be a problem getting more...Ive got about 80degrees on mine at full deflection !
glad you like it... its a whole new ball game isnt it... I was kinda getting mored with the 3D Fun fly stuff because chucking it around is all you cant do... the C50 gives you the 3D bit AND some smooth aero stuff too..

Looking forward to the pics..Glad you like the model !

Would that be "CAN DO" then Archie With the saito Sprink could be a tad nose heavy?? Might be wrong but my best guess it's the opposite to wot he thinks [:-]

ooops critical error !

what a difference a T makes la la la la la la laaaa

Just had a fantastic day flying the capiche at the field today- our field got buzzed by George Bush's helicopters more than twice!(got pics if anyone thinks im pulling their leg)
Anyway really starting to get the hang of the harriers now. Just like surrey3styla said, it only requires very subtle corrections on the ailerons and elevator. Got sooooo close to a tail touch. Anyway dad took a few pics. Sorry for the poor quality.
See you at the field tomorrow Sprink! Glad you like it!

i never got close to hanging with mine, it never wanted to stay still. hopefully the new one will be set up a bit better..
lets have a look at these pics. maybe they thought you posed a terror threat lol

I think they quite genuinely thought we could be a terror threat. The massive heli that was escorting the other two circled our field twice, very low down, just above normal circuit height.(it had loads of antennae on it-could well have been guns or electronic counter-measures equipment). It was clearly checking the field and route out. It may be the route that dubyabush takes when he leaves. Here are the pics. Maybe they just wanted a closer look at the Capiche!

lol with all those bits on the heli i'm surprised they let your camera work at all
Maybe the pilot was a RCU member and just HAD! to see a Capiche

" So did you get the president in your chopter on the flight over? "
" Yer..... but i got to see one of those Capiche's! man i'm so lucky what a chance "

finally finished another c50 after the previous one suffered a elevator servo strip and it hit the ground in proper bo fashion.i covered part off this one with pearl white pro film,didnt like it at first but when stickers and trim added looks cool[8D]

Is that with the Saito or YS on the front ?

luke, we had one of george bush's C-17 Globemaster IIIs 3,000feet over our patch

its the saito,the ys hasent turned up yet,but i like this combination at the moment.im curently flying with cg slighty tailheavy but the 3d is ausome like this just crap on other things.does a seriously tight waterfall and tourqe rolling etc is ausome,but flying it today in slight wind wasnt to good for the rear weight ,harrier crawls were nosing up to much even on tick over sometimes.gonna move bat more forward though for next time.

ITS IN PIECES

Fifth flight, and my Capiche hit the ground nose first . Cause of the crash: rudder hinge failure. I was practising blenders (starting to get the hang of it I think) when the rudder let go, and down she came. Looks like the cyano had let go of the wood as they came out quite easily (when I pulled at the remaining ones). I have to say I'm quite surprised, I obviously did not pull hard enough when testing.

Fortunately I believe it is repairable.

Summary of damage:
cowl split (repairable but I'll get a new one at some point)
throttle servo gears stripped
firewall shattered
front left fuz shattered in front of F2.
front right fuz shattered
F2 broken
front decking shattered
front wing mounting plate pulled loose
wing sheeting split, and I think the spar has broken (not sure on this, will find out once the sheeting and covering is removed)
one elevator slightly damaged
tail skid pulled out.

Looks like I'm going to be busy for the next week or two repairing that lot

I have to say I was starting to get a bit leary with it, so I suppose not suprising that something gave out. For the start of the fifth flight, I did a wall from take off. Something I've been wanting to do for ages. Was a bit messy but I did it. Managed a few more harriers as well. Didn't have enough balls to try a knife edge loop though.

Actually having written my above piece I was thinking about it, and came to the same conclusion.

Sorry to hear about the crash[]

wall from take off? does that mean you take off and like a few feet up you do a wall

or

you yank full up to take off?

Were they IH cyno hinges???

Archie, I have emailed you my photos for the competition and gallery. I assume that I wont win as you dont like my choice in spinner or prop [:@]

I have attached them below for everyone to see.

if the rudder let go how comes it didnt pull out with elevator?or did the ele let go?sorry to here tht sprink,reading past posts looks like you spent a bit off time on it.still good luck with repair.

Im amazed too... how much cuano did you use? Ive never had one fail in my life and Ive been using those hinges for about 10 years !
(I assume it was IH Hinges you used)


Im also surprised that you were not able to retrieve it from the blender withouy the rudder attached... or was it all a case of too much happening too low?


Thats a real shame...maybe you should have gone with the knife edge loops instead..was doing this with mine today and then knife edge 8s.

Sorry to hear your new Sprink...

Yes, too much happening too low I think. In the cold light of day (after I had calmed down a bit) I thought that if I had switched out of 3D rates to normal high rates I may have pulled it out. But with 3D rates I was probably continually stalling/snapping as I was coming down (certainly looked like it). I had bearly enough time to say "oh $*it".

Also the rudder was still hanging on by the control rod, flapping about, which would not have helped.

Yes, IH hinges. I don't usually used CA hinges, perhaps I didn't use enough CA on them. How much are you supposed to use? I did put the CA in from both sides. This is the first time I have ever had hinges give out on me in flight. Only other time has been as part of a crash.

First one. I had got to the end of the strip, about 10 feet up (a bit more than usual, I like long gentle climbs from take off) and did a wall. Then opened up the throttle to go up verticaly.

i feel your pain Sprink, tho Sophie reminds me you didn't want tom flying the plane in the first place as he'd crashed before.
I've used the IH hinges on my shrike, i put them in, then bent the surface and gave it some thin, i also made a hole when slotting the surface, hopefully that wicked the glue down. thin getting all the way in on its own doesnt have my faith

Your (or rather Sophie) quite right. Hmm, need a new pilot it seems, this one is sacked, no matter how cool he looks.[:@]

I'm starting to feel a bit better now. I have had a good look at the front of the fuz, and it doesnt look too bad, fairly clean breaks. I am concerned about the wing though. If the spar has gone, which I think it has, that can be tricky, especially as I dont want to weaken it.

Right I'm off to watch top gear, then get repairing. I think I take a few photos to show what is happening. You all can share my pain then.

Did you use thin cyano? If you used medium maybe it didn't soak into the gap for the whole length of the hinge. I also noticed that you were using the smaller size of IHobbies hinges. The ones on mine are much bigger. Dad made a mistake putting the first one in, tried to pull it out and the wood broke before the glue did.

On the plus side, i'm getting to know the capiche much better now, looking forward to next years freetyle comp.

Sorry for your loss. At least the plane didn't hit you though.
On saturday a limbo dancer went out of control and came down with great force right onto the spot where i had been starting an engine 30 odd seconds before. Had that engine taken a little bit longer to get going could would have got the shock of my life!

Seems there is some hope then...

IH Hinges.. basically what you do is deflect the hinge when its in place and wick small doses of thin cyano into the corner of the hinge / surface. You should be able to watch it wick in. Its had enough when you get a small bit of cyano left sitting in the corner which you wipe away. When you are used to the hinges you know when to stop.

I know it does not help Sprink, but you could not have used enough syano... I have NEVER had a failure, even after a crash, with these hinges which I have used for 10 years or so, and I NEVER drill holes or do anything special like pinning etc.

As for the pictures for the comp, they are all eligible and my feelings about the spinner and prop are irrelevant... Im not the judge... its the IH Wives that are doing the judging... totally impartial !

Personally... Sprink... yours is one of my favourites... even though it is not particularly original (same as mine !) I like particularly the underside and the way you put the stickers on the fuz upside down.. simple but effective.

But like I say... my view point doesnt count !

Hinge size should not matter - either will do the 50 fine, its amount of glue thats the issue but good question... you did use the thin type right Sprink ?

Just had this mail in from some one satisfied...

Its exactly how I felt and why I built a second airframe... just in case

"The plane, What can i say about the plane, THE BEST plane i have ever flown, it fly's like a dream. THE BEST 3D aerobat i' ve got my hands on, i have got other 3D models but they cannot touch the CAPICHE 50, i cannot wait for the FUNFLY wing & the BIG brother, i have just started on my second capiche 50, that's how good the plane is."

Archie, just wanna know if the best dressed shortlist has been sorted, or if the ones in the newsletter are the first in of the 20 allowed, was just wondering were mine was. if's it's been rejected thats fine
was gonna go for a inverted FedEx, but decided against it. this time the FedEx will be larger, but still upright