<span style="font-size: medium">BMI-Models SPITZ Data Log ESC's </span>-A new range of data logging ESC's:
I recently noticed this new range of data logging ESC's:
http://www.bmi-models.com/#en/SPITZ_Controllor/4/1423
" ... With these new Spitz Data-Log Brushless speed controller, that use the latest software, you cannot only control Spitz brushless motors, but every type of brushless motor.
* The ESC records flight data, which can be consulted after the flight with the Program Box.
* The controller can be programmed with the transmitter stick, with the program card or with the program box.
* Large cooling surfaces assure an optimal performance
* The Spitz data-Log controllers are equipped with an S-BEC that offers more current (A), which allows you to use more analog/digital servos (not for OPTO type) ..."</p>

They are available in: 11, 16, 26, 46, 56, 76A ratings all of them have S-BEC, even the 11A one
and also in: 106A, 132A rating -with no BEC (OPTO) -these are not HV, and are rated 2 to 6 LiPo
(see pics). There are no HV (High Voltage) versions of these BMI Data Log ESC's

These ESC's use the jumper program card shown in pic below(-we can only see back of program card-can see this clearly inpic 5).
And they also use the programming box shown in pic below, for reading out data collected.</p>

So: If you want an ESC that logs data (e.g. ESC temperature, voltage, current, motor RPM, etc ) during a flight
-these ESC's could be useful ...</p>

-They seem to be available mainly in a "Combo Pack" along with a BMI motor
e.g. http://www.rc-point.nl/N_frame.html?..._art_16037.php
BMI Brushless SPITZ COMBO40 motor+ 56A Data Log ESC-139 Euro also see: http://www.bmi-models.com/Catalogue_...12/N12_P58.pdf
(I cannot see the Data Log ESC'ssold by themselves, at any place so far ...)


pics show: 1, BMI46A Data Log ESC; 2, BMI 136A Data Log ESC; 3, BMIData Log ESC and program card; 4, BMI Data Log program box 5, BMI "Combo" package-motor / Data Log ESC combined -CAN SEE BMI SPITZ PROGRAM CARD CLEARLY; NOTE IT HAS <span style="font-size: small"><u>6 PINS</u></span> AT TOP OF CARD.</p>

<span style="font-size: medium">TURNIGY DLUX data logging ESC's vs BMI SPITZ DATA LOG ESC's
</span> -Now: There is another range of data logging ESC's available -the Turnigy dlux range, from HobbyKing.
<span style="font-size: small">Let's compare these two ranges ...</span></p>

Dlux ESC's are available in ratings: 20A, 30, 40, 55, 70 and 100A -all have S-BEC and all have data logging.
(-They are also available in HV versions -in 80, 120, 160A rating -but these have no S-BEC and no data logging. We will not consider these ..)</p>

So: Compared to Turnigy dlux ESC's:
The Spitz 26A is between dlux 20 and 30A
The Spitz 56A is similar to dlux 55A
The Spitz 76A issimilar rating as dlux 70A.
The Spitz 106A does not have BEC, whereas the dlux 100A <u>does</u> have S-BEC. So there is a difference there ...
<span style="font-size: small">
Are there any similarities ? LETS LOOK AT <u>PROGRAMMING</u> OF THESE ESC's:</span></p>

BMI SPITZ DATA LOG ESC PROGRAMMING
From Manual: http://www.bmi-models.com/download/E...al%20DE-EN.pdf
(the BMIData Log Manual is in German, but it is very easy to translate with GoogleTranslate, etc)
CAN PROGRAM:
1 Brake on or off
2 Battery type
3 Rotation reverse
4 Soft start (Acceleration)
5 Low Voltage Cut-off (LVC)
6 Timing
7 Switching Frequency
8 Restore Factory Default Setting
9 Active RPM Control (Heli Governor mode)</p>

TURNIGY DLUX ESC PROGRAMMING
From Manual: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...84X7478X51.pdf
CAN PROGRAM:
1 Brake on or off
2 Battery type
3 Rotation reverse
4 Soft start (Acceleration)
5 Low Voltage Cut-off (LVC)
6 Timing
7 Switching Frequency
8 Restore Factory Default Setting
9 Active RPM Control (Heli Governor mode)</p>

<span style="font-size: medium">FOR PROGRAMMING, THEY ARE <u>IDENTICAL</u> ...!
-NOW WE ARE STARTING TO GET THE PICTURE ...</span></p>

<span style="font-size: medium">TURNIGY DLUX data log ESC's; BMI SPITZ DATA LOG ESC's; Have identical data download of data
</span>Now, so far we have shown that the Turnigy dlux ESC's and BMI Spitz Data Log ESC's are <span style="font-size: small">completely identical </span>for programming -they have exactly the same programming order for parameters. <span style="font-size: small">-NO OTHER ESC's -e.g. ZTW, HobbyWing, HiFei, SunriseModel, have this same order for programming parameters.</span></p>

Are there other similarities between Spitz and dlux Data Log ESC's ? Well, yes there are -Lets look at the order of data download from the ESC, when the stored ESC data is viewed by the program box:</p>

-For a: BMI Spitz Data Log ESC: e.g. http://www.bmi-models.com/index.php?...ATA-LOG/6/4409
" ... With the Program Box following features can be consulted after the flight:
Max. temperature of the ESC
Environment temperature
Max./Min. current (A)
Max./Min. voltage (V)
Actual voltage (V)
Off voltage (V)
Motor run time
Power on time
Motor poles
Gear ratio
Max./Min. motor RPM
Errors ..."</p>


For a: Turnigy dlux SBEC ESC w/Data Logging e.g. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...a_Logging.html
Descriptionstates: " .... Data logging display parameters:
Max Temperature
Environment Temperature
Max Current
Min Current
Max Voltage
Min Voltage
Nominal Voltage
Off Voltage
Motor Run Time
Power on Time
Motor Pole Number
Max Motor RPM
Error Times ..."</p>


<span style="font-size: small">THE ORDER FOR DOWNLOAD DATA IS IDENTICAL ...!
THE ACTUAL PARAMETERS STORED, AND THEN DOWNLOADED, ARE IDENTICAL ...!</span></p>

It is beginning to look like these 2 ranges of Data Log ESC'sare almost completely identical -just that their external appearance is different ...
-The BMI Data Log ESC's have a blue case and label, with black end housing;The Turnigy dlux ESC's have their heat sink showing externally, and have brown plastic end housings.
<span style="font-size: small">-I will bet however, , that if you turned the BMI Data Log ESC upside down, the underside might welllook identical to the Turnigy dlux ESC ... !!!</span>
-Interesting that the only photos of BMIare from the side opposite where wires exit; Whereasthe only photos of Turnigy dlux are from the side where the wires do exit, thesame side as the capacitors are located ...

pics show: 1, BMI SPITZ76A Data LogESC; 2,Turnigy dlux 70A SBEC ESCwith Data Logging</p>

So: For Spitz Data Log and Turnigy dlux data logging ESC's, the programming is identical, and the downloading of data is identical.
Are there any other similarities ...? Well the specs of similar rated models are quite similar:</p>

<span style="font-size: small">Turnigy dlux 70A SBEC ESC w/Data Logging:</span> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...a_Logging.html
Weight: 84grams
Max Cont. Current: 70A; Max Burst Current: 85A
Max BEC Current: 3A; BEC Voltage: 5.5v; LiPo: 2~6S</p>

<span style="font-size: small">BMI Spitz 76A Data Log ESC:
</span>http://www.bmi-models.com/index.php?...ATA-LOG/6/4409
Weight 85g
Current A 76A; Peak A 85A
BEC 4A ; LiPo 2~6 LiPo</p>

-The weights are almost identical, so are current ratings. There is a slight difference in quoted BEC current.</p>


<span style="font-size: small">Turnigy dlux 100A SBEC ESC w/Data Logging:</span> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...a_Logging.html
Weight: 96grams
Max Cont. Current: 100A; Max Burst Current: 120A
Max BEC Current: 3A; BEC Voltage: 5.5v; LiPo: 2~6S</p>

<span style="font-size: small">BMI Spitz 106A Data Log ESC:
</span>http://www.bmi-models.com/#en/85611_...ATA_LOG/6/4410
Weight 106g
Current A 106A; Peak A 115A
BEC -None; Opto -yes; LiPo 2~6 LiPo</p>

-The weights are in the same range; current ratings are similar; Of course, the BMI 100A ESC has no S-BEC ...
In general, however, this comparisonis at least consisent that Turnigy dlux and BMI Data Log ESC'sare made in the same factory ...</p>

<span style="font-size: medium">TURNIGY DLUX and BMI DATA LOG ESC's -have identical programming to:
</span><span style="font-size: small">Extreme Flight Airboss ESC's; Common-Sense-RC; Sonic Electric; Gens Ace; OK Hobby Infinite; Shulman Aviation FURY ESC's; JP E-PRO; ELE-RC "Advance" ESC's;</span></p>

-Not ONLY is the programming of Turnigy dlux ESC's identical to BMI Spitz Data Log, it is <span style="font-size: small">ALSO</span> identical to the programming of Extreme Flight Airboss ESC's:</p>

EXTREME FLIGHT RC AIRBOSS ELITE ESC -PROGRAMMING
http://www.extremeflightrc.com/manua...structions.doc
Operations manual V3.0 2011-2012
CAN PROGRAM:
1 Brake on or off
2 Battery type
3 Rotation reverse
4 Soft start (Acceleration)
5 Low Voltage Cut-off (LVC)
6 Timing
7 Switching Frequency
8 Restore Factory Default Setting
9 Active RPM Control (Heli Governor mode)</p>

THIS IS <span style="font-size: small">IDENTICAL</span> TO THE PROGRAMMING OF TURNIGY DLUX;
<span style="font-size: small">And: Common-Sense-RC; Sonic Electric; Gens Ace; OK Hobby Infinite; Shulman Aviation FURY ESC's; JP E-PRO ESC'setc -ALSO HAVE TOTALLY IDENTICAL PROGRAMMING.</span></p>

And of course: We <span style="font-size: small">KNOW</span> that Airboss ESC's; Common-Sense-RC; Sonic Electric; Gens Ace; OK Hobby Infinite; Shulman Aviation FURY ESC's; JP E-PRO ESC's;
-are ALL made in the Sunray Technology factory ...</p>

<span style="font-size: medium">Picture is becoming more clear ...</span></p>

<span style="font-size: medium">Turnigy dlux ESC's have identical programming AND the same program box as Gens Ace ESC's</span></p>

Here is the order of programming for a Gens Ace ESC:
GENS ACE ESC MANUAL
http://forum.gensace.com/file.php/29...g-Flugzeug.pdf
http://forum.gensace.com/file.php/29...ugzeug_90A.pdf
CAN PROGRAM:
1 Brake on or off
2 Battery type
3 Rotation reverse
4 Soft start (Acceleration)
5 Low Voltage Cut-off (LVC)
6 Timing
7 Switching Frequency
8 Restore Factory Default Setting
9 Active RPM Control (Heli Governor mode)</p>

This programming is <span style="font-size: small">COMPLETELY IDENTICAL </span>to Turnigy dlux and to BMI Spitz Data log ESC's.</p>

AND ALSO: The Turnigy dlux program box, and the Gens Ace program box, are IDENTICAL (see pics)</p>

Of course, this cannot be pure coincidence ...</p>

<span style="font-size: xx-small">(As we noted above: The Gens Ace ESC programming is also identical to: Airboss; Common-Sense-RC; Sonic Electric; OK Hobby Infinite; Shulman Aviation FURY ESC's; JP E-PRO ESC's )
</span></p>

<span style="font-size: medium">BMI Spitz Data log ESC's use same program card as:</span>Gens Ace, Common Sense RC, Apache, Lipolice, and OK Hobby Infinite ESC's</p>

We can only see the Spitz Data Log program card from the rear (see pic below), but we can see very clearly indeed that IT HAS 6 PINS AT THE TOP (and not 5 pins, like a ZTW program card).
And we know from post #46 in this thread - http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11452515 -that having 6 pins at the top of the ESC program card, in 2 groups of 3, is diagnostic of a "Sunray" -manufactured program card and ESC.
-Worth noting: That not all the "Sunray brands" like Hacker, Airboss and Hyperion supply jumper program cards for their ESC's -And the ones that do supply program cards are Gens Ace, Common Sense RC, Apache, Lipolice, and OK Hobby Infinite -and they ALL have 6 pins at the top ...
</p>

<span style="font-size: small">BMI Data Log ESCs -Not only do they use use same program card as OK Hobby Infinite airplane ESC's, they ALSO use the same program box -and ALSO have identical programming as OK Hobby Infinite airplane ESC's</span></p>

Here is the order of programming for all OK Hobby Infinite airplane ESC's:
OK HOBBY INFINITE "Air" ESC Manual (for: 6A to 80A S-BEC;and 60A, 80A, and 100A HV OPTO)
http://www.okhobby.com/download/ESC-00173.pdf
CAN PROGRAM:
1 Brake on or off
2 Battery type
3 Rotation reverse
4 Soft start (Acceleration)
5 Low Voltage Cut-off (LVC)
6 Timing
7 Switching Frequency
8 Restore Factory Default Setting
9 Active RPM Control (Heli Governor mode)</p>

These programming parameters and their order is IDENTICAL to that for BMI Data Log ESC's
<span style="font-size: xx-small"> -And also of course to: Turnigy dlux, Gens Ace ESC's , Airboss; Common-Sense-RC; Sonic Electric; Shulman Aviation FURY ESC's; HDX Brushless 35A ESC;JP E-PRO ESC's; and the older ELE-RC "Advance" ESC's</span></p>

BUT: The very interesting and revealing thing here, is that BMI Data Log ESC's use EXACTLY THE SAME programming box as OK Hobby Infinite ESC's (see pics)
-And in addition,BMI Data Log ESC's usethe same "Sunray" ESC program card as OK Hobby Infinite ESC's -see pics below -and also see previous post;-Both the BMI and the OKHobby Infinite program cards have 6 pins at the top, which is "diagnostic" of a Sunray ESCprogram card.

<span style="font-size: small">It seems clear:There can be little doubtthatBMI Data Log ESC's must be made by the same manufacturer as OK Hobby Infinite ESC's - there are so many identical features between them.
-And of course, we now <u>KNOW</u> that OK Hobby Infinite airplane ESC'sare all made by Sunray Technology ...</span></p>

<span style="font-size: medium">Is it not all becoming very obvious ...?

</span><span style="font-size: medium"><span style="font-size: x-small">Pics show: 1, BMI Data Log ESCprogram box; 2. OK Hobby ESCprogram box; 3, OK Hobby Infinite ESCjumper program card</span></span></p>

<span style="font-size: medium">SUMMARY SO FAR:</span><span style="font-size: x-small"> Let us summarise the information we have so far:
a. Turnigy dlux ESC's have identical programming and identical data download to BMI Data Log ESC's. In addition, their manuals are almost identical. Their physical characteristics are also very similar.
b. Turnigy dlux ESC's have identical programming to Gens Ace ESC's, and also use the same program box.
c. Turnigy dlux and BMI Data Log ESC's and Gens Ace ESC's have identical programming to: Airboss; Common-Sense-RC; Sonic Electric; OK Hobby Infinite; Shulman Aviation FURY ESC's; HDX Brushless 35A ESC; JP E-PRO ESC's; and the old ELE-RC "Advance" ESC's
d. BMI Data Log ESC's use the same jumper program card as Gens Ace, Common Sense RC, Apache, Lipolice, and OK Hobby Infinite ESC's
e. BMI Data Log ESC's use the same program box as OK Hobby Infinite ESC's, and also have identical programming to OK Hobby Infinite ESC's.</span></p>

<span style="font-size: x-small">The picture is becoming very clear.
-Gens Ace, Airboss, Common Sense RC, Apache, Lipolice, OK Hobby Infinite, and BMI Spitz "standard" ESC's (i.e. non-Data-Log ones) are all manufactured by the Sunray Technology factory, and that is why they all have identical programming parameter order and all use the same program card.
-Also Sonic Electric; Shulman Aviation FURY ESC's; HDX Brushless 35A ESC; and JP E-PRO ESC's are all made by Sunray Tecnhology, because they also have identical programming parameter order.</span></p>

<span style="font-size: x-small">In adddition: BMI Data Log ESC's must also be manufactured by Sunray Technology, because they have identical programming order to all the others, they use the same program card as many of the "Sunray -made" ESC's, and they also use the same program box as OK Hobby Infinite ESC's.</span></p>

<span style="font-size: x-small">It must follow, then: That Turnigy dlux ESC's will ALSO manufactured by Sunray Technology -because they have identical programming order to BMI Data Log and all the other ESC's, they have identical data download properties as BMI Data Log, and also because they also use the same programming box as Gens Ace ESC's.</span></p>

<span style="font-size: x-small">This allows us to make a prediction:
<span style="font-size: medium">I would bet (-if I were a betting man ...) that the basic "Sunray" jumper program card (i.e. the BMI Spitz or the Gens Ace or the Common-Sense-RC program card etc) will ALSO work on: Turnigy dlux, Airboss, Sonic Electric; Shulman Aviation FURY ESC's; and JP E-PRO ESC's
</span> -because they all appear to have identical software / firmware
</span></p>

<span style="font-size: medium">TURNIGY DLUX ESC's AND BMI DATA LOG ESC's-HAVE SOME <u>VERY</u> SIMILAR FEATURES WITH JETI SPIN / SPIN PRO ESC's</span></p>

It may seem very surprising that Turnigy dlux and BMI Data Log ESC's have some similar features to JETI ESC's -and I most certainly never expected this. After all, we tend to think of Turnigy dlux as a type of "budget" ESC, that are cheaper than other ESC's like Hacker X-Pro, Airboss and Jeti. We would not automatically tend to put Turnigy dlux ESC's in the same group as these other far more expensive ESC's.
However, here are the facts, like it or not. And the factsare inescapable:</p>

1. Data logging by an ESC is not new. The Jeti / Hacker SPIN range of ESC's have had the ability to do this for several years, and the downloaded data can then be read by the Jeti program box (known as the "Jetibox").
(-Also note that Jeti and Hacker have been very closely associated for several years regarding ESC's -the Jeti SPIN and Hacker "MasterSPIN" ESC's are interchangeable, the Jeti MEZON and Hacker "MasterMEZON" ESC's are the same. -All Hacker seem to do is to put "Master" in front of the name Jeti have chosen. Anyway, all Hacker ESC's have the Jeto logo on, showing that they are Jeti ESC's, and there is no secret about this -http://www.hacker-motor-shop.com/e-v...mp;c=7&amp;p=7&amp;http://www.jetimodel.com/index.php?p...mp;category=13 )</p>

2. When we look at the order in which stored data is downloaded from a Jeti SPIN or a Jeti SPIN Pro ESC -guess what ? -It is IDENTICAL to the data download order for Turnigy dlux and for BMI Data Log ESC's. The download order for dlux and for BMI ESC's was shown earlier, in post #43 of this thread - http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11459920.</p>

3. Here is order of downloaded data for a Jeti SPIN and SPIN Pro ESC:
JETI SPIN Manual=Hacker MasterSpin Manual (11A to 66A BEC; 44 to 300A OPTO) (no S-BEC on these ESC's)
SPIN ESC Manual : http://www.hacker-motor.com/daten/an...pin-Manuel.pdf and https://www.aero-model.com/downloads.html
SPIN PRO ESCManual: http://www.jetimodel.com/data_downlo...de-en-2012.pdf (these have S-BEC)</p>

-Manual Setting, using Tx:
Choose Mode: Acro inrunner, Acro outrunner, Glider inrunner, Heli constant RPM, 6 modes etc
<u><span style="font-size: small">-Setting with Jetibox:
</span></u><span style="font-size: small">Can read out parameters:
</span>Max.Temperature
Min. Temperature
Act. Temperature
Maximum Voltage
Minimum Voltage
Actual Voltage
Off Voltage
Motor Run Time
Power ON Time
Motor Pole No.
Gear
Max. Motor RPM
Max. Prop RPM
Errors</p>

As you can see, the data parameters stored and the order in which they are downloaded, are completely<span style="font-size: small">IDENTICAL</span> to that for Turnigy dlux and for BMI Data Log ESC's.
-This simply cannot be a pure coincidence. What it shows, is that Turnigy dlux and BMI Data Log ESC's have some similar genealogy to Jeti ESC's. It shows that some of the software for these ESC's is similar. It shows there is anextremely good chance that Jeti / HackerESC's are made in the same Sunray factory as Turnigy dlux and BMIData Log ESC's.It also suggests thatTurnigy dlux and BMI ESC'smay well have a cut down version of Jeti ESCsoftware / programming installed into them.</p>

4. There are3 other facts that very strongly suggest a common genealogy between Jeti ESC'sand BMI / Turnigy dlux ESC's. First, the BMI Data Log ESC's use a program box that is the same as the Jeti program box (see pics below). And of course OK Hobby Infinite ESC's use exactly the same program box, and they are also manufactured by Sunray Tech.</p>

5. A furtherpoint is that we know very well that all Hacker outrunner motors, and all Hacker X-Pro ESC's, are manufactured by Sunray Technology. There are clearly some close and very long-standing ties between Hacker and Sunray Tech.
-We also know that Hacker and Jeti have been associated very closely together for quite a fewyears, regarding ESC's. Since most of the Hacker-branded items are made at Sunray Technology, and because Hacker and Jeti are extremely closely associated, then it is easy to makethe simple logical connection that all Jeti ESC's are very likely also to be manufactured by Sunray Technology.

6. A final piece of evidence also links Jeti ESC's to other Sunray-manufactured ESC's. The underside of a Jeti Advance 99 or a Jeti Spin 99 / Spin Pro 99 looks <span style="font-size: small">IDENTICAL</span> to the underside of a Gens Ace 90A HV ESC, a LiPolice 100A HVESC, oran OK Hobby Infinite 100AHV ESC. We know that Gens Ace ESC's, LiPolice ESC's and OK Hobby Infinite ESC's are all manufactured by Sunray Tech. It therefore follows that almost certainly, all Jeti Advance and Jeti SPIN / SPINPro ESC's will also be manufactured by Sunray Technology.

<span style="font-size: medium">It seems reasonable to conclude that all Jeti ESC's are almost certainly manufactured by Sunray Technology, in China.
</span>
Pics show: 1. BMI Data Log ESC program box; 2, Jeti ESC program box ("Jetibox") ( -The buttons for Jeti and BMI program boxes may be arrangeddifferently, however the important point is that they use the same box.)
3, Underside of a Jeti Advance 99A ESC; 4, Underside of a LiPolice 100A HV ESC; 5, Underside of an OK Hobby Infinite 100A HV ESC 6, Underside of a Jeti SPIN Pro 99 ESC; 7, 8, Underside of a Gens Ace 90A HVESC
</p>

</p>

Yes, this is a question that needs answering. So let us look at the programming for a Hacker X-Pro ESC.
-For a comparison with this, I showed in previous post #55, the programming order for Airboss ESC's and the whole group of ESC's that have identical programming to Airboss -see http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11459980</p>

Here is the programming order for a HACKER X-Pro ESC:
http://www.hacker-motor.com/daten/an...Pro-Manuel.pdf
( It states: Each time you enter the programming mode you are allowed to make one change and then you will automatically exit the programming mode. To change more than one parameter you will have to re-enter the programming mode each time) (-this is a bit primitive ...!)
CAN PROGRAM:
1 Brake on or off
2 Battery type
3 Low Voltage Cut-off (LVC)
4 Soft start (Acceleration)
5 Timing (advance timing)
6 Switching Frequency
7 Rotation reverse
8 Active RPM Control (Heli Governor mode)

-You can see very easily that programming of the Hacker X-Pro ESC is very similar ( -there are someminor differences)to E-F Airboss ESC programming. Positions 1 &amp; 2 are the same in both. But in position 3, the Hacker has Low Voltage Cut-off (instead of "Rotation reverse" like in the Airboss). Both have the Soft start -Acceleration setting in position 4.
And the Hacker has Timing and Switching Frequency in positions 5 &amp; 6, instead of positions 6 &amp; 7 like the Airboss ESC.
The Hacker has Rotation reverse in position 7 (-whereas the Airboss had this in position 3),
Also the Hacker has no Restore Factory Default Setting setting -so it has Active RPM Control in postion 8 (the Hacker only has 8 program settings).</p>

Hyperion Titan, Apache and Pilotage Nova-Line ESC's have <span style="font-size: small">IDENTICAL</span> programming parameters and order to the Hacker X-Pro ESC's.
LiPolice ESC's have almost identical programming to Hacker, except they have the "Restore Factory Default " setting in position 8 (like Airboss), and then they have Active RPM Control in position 9 -see: http://www.der-schweighofer.at/public/files/50095.pdf</p>

There are NO other brands of ESCs (-like ZTW, HobbyWing, HiFei etc) that have the same programming order as Hacker X-Pro, Hyperion Titan, Apache, Pilotage Nova-Line, and LiPolice ESC's.
The extremely great similarity between the programming order of these ESC's,and the programming order of Airboss; Common-Sense-RC; Sonic Electric; Gens Ace and all the other identical ESC brands, tells with very little doubt, that the Hacker X-Pro, Hyperion Titan, Apache, Pilotage Nova-Line, and LiPolice ESC's are also manufactured by Sunray Technology.
Also, the LiPolice and Apache ESC program cards are almost identical to Common-Sense-RC, Gens Ace and OK Hobby Infinite program cards -telling us that all these ESC's all have the same manufacturer -which is Sunray Technology.</p>

Because Hacker X-Pro, Hyperion Titan, Apache, Pilotage Nova-Line and LiPolice ESC's are identical for programming, this does suggest that the Apache and the LiPolice ESC program cards might well work for being able to program this whole group of ESC's. The Hacker X-Pro, Hyperion Titan, and Pilotage Nova-Line do not have program cards available for them (these particular re-branders never provided a program card for their ESC's) and so this may provide an easy way of programming Hacker X-Pro, Hyperion Titan, and Pilotage Nova-Line ESC's -if one does not wish to use the simple Tx stick method, or does not want toresort to the PC-interface programming method that Hacker and Hyperion supply for their ESC's.
</p>

I find these posts really interesting. One thing however that caught my attention was the mention of Jeti. They are known to have been reverse engineered by a chinese company but the real Jeti escs are not made in China. In fact Jeti receives support from the European Regional Development Fund for investments in the Czech Republic. They sure wouldn´t want to be caught getting financial support and putting "Made in Czech Republic" on each product they make and still have them made in China. Another company that are known to have been copied are Yge who themselves make all their ESCs in Germany. There was even a thread where the Yge founder explained it all. [link=http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21450856&postcount=76]Heino Jung comments on Sunrise Model ESCs[/link]

Also remember that when it comes to ESCs, the software is where the really big difference is. Even two identical looking products can be totaly different when it comes to functionality.

But still, a very interesting thread! Though the vast amounts of products made in China makes it hard to decipher who makes what.

/Erik

Thanks very much indeed for this comment, Erik.
I REALLY do appreciate it. Very much, Dr M

Thanks VERY much indeed for that link. I did not know about that thread. I will have a look at it, sounds interesting ...

Erik. do you know which chinese company that is ..? Is it SunriseModel - http://www.sunrisemodel.com/ ?
I have known for quite some time that SunriseModel use a jumper program card that is IDENTICAL to the Jeti ADVANCE program card
-http://www.sunrisemodel.com/showproduct.asp?id=476
-http://www.puffinmodels.com/product.php?prod=729</p>

(and also: PULSO ESC's, INNOV8ATIVE COBRA, AND TURNIGY MULTISTAR ESC's -also use the same program card
-this is because PULSO and Multistar ESC's are made by SunriseModel, and PULSO then supplies Innov8tive ...)</p>

SunriseModel makes ESC's in three categories called:
S-BEC
COOL
ICE</p>

If itIS SunriseModel, which of these ranges are supposed to be the same as Jeti ESC's (-I suppose we are talking about the JetiECO and ADVANCE ranges ...) ?
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<span style="font-size: small">CAN WE TELL WHETHER AN ESC IS MADE BY SUNRAY TECHNOLOGY -OR BY ZTW
-JUST BY LOOKING AT IT ?</span></p>

For Sunray Tech-made ESC's: see
Extreme Flight Airboss 60A ESC: http://www.3dhobbyshop.com/Extreme-F...C_p_15458.html
Shulman FURY 55Amp ESC: http://shulmanaviation.com/product_i...oducts_id=2740
Hacker X-Pro 70A ESC: http://www.rcbaron.com/acatalog/info...70-SB-PRO.html</p>


For ZTW-made ESC's see:
Mystery 85A SBEC: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...p;postcount=55
Reaper 85A ESC: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...mp;postcount=1</p>

<span style="font-size: small">HAVE A LOOK; FOR FUN; In an idle moment ...
AND SEE WHETHER <u>YOU</u> CAN DECIDE ...</span></p>

<span style="font-size: small">I asked in post #66 of this thread: </span><span style="font-size: medium">CAN WE TELL WHETHER AN ESC IS MADE BY SUNRAY TECHNOLOGY -OR BY ZTW -JUST BY ITS APPEARANCE?</span></p>

<span style="font-size: small">Well yes, quite surprisingly, in many cases we can </span>... -Not in all cases, but certainly with some ESC's -their appearance can tell us whether the manufacturer is Sunray Tech or ZTW.
Of course, 12 months ago, we actually thought that a <span style="font-size: small">general similarity</span> between the appearance of ESC's like Mystery, Black Mantisand Hacker X-Pro, and Hyperion Titan (together with the fact they used a <span style="font-size: small">"similar"</span> jumper program card) showed us that these ESC's were all manufactured by ZTW ...
-see: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...mp;postcount=1
and the rest of this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1333719</p>

However, we now <u><span style="font-size: small">KNOW</span></u> that ESC's like: Hacker X-Pro; Hyperion Titan; E-F Airboss; Common-Sense-RC, and others are made by the SunRay Tech factory. And we now realise that they do NOT use a program card which is the same as ZTW. -They actually use a "Sunray" program card - http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11452515</p>

<u><span style="font-size: small">SUNRAY TECH -MANUFACTURED ESC's:
</span></u>So: What about the appearance of the Sunray-made ESC's vs ZTW-made ESC's ...?
Let's look at some Sunray-manufactured ESC's first (pics 1 shows Airboss 60A ESC; pic 2 shows Shulman Fury 55A ESC ):</p>

Sunray-made ESC's usually have on their label:
Company name / Brand name, at top and centred on the label;
They usually state "Brushless Controller" under the company name;
Then in middle of the label, they usually have the "series name" or "model name" of ESC and its Amp rating, in large type (ie. "Airboss Elite" or "Fury")
They usually have "CE" at bottom right;
They usually give the LiPo number rating at lower left of the label.
And for ESC's rated for 2-6 LiPo, they usually say "6-18 NiCd" underneath this (or "6-18 NC" or "6-18 N~" or "6-18 Nxx" );
Also, some of the Sunray-made ESC's have yellow motor wires; Whenever you see yelllow motor wires, it is a good bet that it is a Sunray-made ESC</p>

-This general label design can certainly be found on: E-F Airboss; Apache; BMI Spitz; Common Sense RC; Hacker X-Pro; Hyperion Titan; Sonic Electric; Shulman Aviation ESC's.
-The Hacker X-Pro 70A ESC is shown in pic 3; This differs only by having the Hacker brand name at the top right of the label, and "Brushless Controller" at the top left. Note that it also says "6-18 NC"














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So now what about:
<u><span style="font-size: small">ZTW-MANUFACTURED ESC's:</span></u>
Now, lets look at the appearance of some ZTW-made ESC's (pic1 shows Reaper 85A ESC; pic2 shows Black Mantis 70A ESC; pic3 shows a Mystery 85A SBEC -all of these are made by ZTW)</p>

ZTW -made ESC's usually have on their label:
Company name / Brand name / Company logo at top left of label;
They have AMP rating and whether BEC or S-BEC at top right (i.e. "85A SBEC")
They generally state "Programmable Brushless ESC" across the centre of the label;
They generally have "RoHS" and "CE" at bottom right of the label;
AND: for ESC's which are rated for 2-6 LiPo, they usually say "5-18 NIMH" underneath this <span style="font-size: small">(Note: <u>NOT</u> "6-18" but "5-18" )
</span>ZTW ESC's generally have black motor wires.</p>

-This label design agrees well for most of these ZTW-made ESC's: Black Mantis; Mystery Blue ESC's; JP EnErg Pro; HobbyKing BlueSeries; Reaper; Po8er ESC's; PowerHD; Jamara Xetronic; REVOXX ESCs; Cyclone Power; Maytech Harrier-Suprem (MT) V1;
And also ZTW own brand ESC's (i.e. A series and B series); and ZTW Land Power Series ESC's; -have some of these label features
-And even some HobbyKing "UBEC" models (which are also made by ZTW) have some of these label features ...
For instance, the JP EnErg Pro 110 ESC is shown in pic 4; This label of this ESC differs slightly, in that it has the model name "EnErg Pro" along the top of the label, and the company logo "JP" (=J. Perkins) at bottom left. However it still states "Programmable Brushless ESC"; it still states "5-18 NIMH" (and NOT "6-18" of Ni-anything); and it still has "RoHS" and "CE" at bottom right of the label ....</p>

SO: We can see that there really <span style="font-size: small">ARE</span> some general differences in the labelling of Sunray-made and ZTW-made ESC's;
Therefore: -<span style="font-size: x-small">If we see an ESC with yellow motor wires</span>, it is probably Sunray made ( I have never seen a ZTW-made ESC with yellow wires)
<span style="font-size: small"> <span style="font-size: x-small">If we see an ESC that states </span><span style="font-size: x-small">"Programmable Brushless ESC"</span> </span>on the label -then it has a good chance of being ZTW-made (-of course much better signs are if it uses the ZTW program card, and if it has typical ZTW programming ...).
-<span style="font-size: x-small">If we see an ESC that states "Brushless Controller"</span><span style="font-size: small"></span>rather than "Programmable Brushless ESC" -then it has a good chance of being Sunray-made (-of course a more certain sign is if it has typical Sunray programming, or that it uses a typical Sunray jumper program card ...).
-<span style="font-size: x-small">And if it is rated for 2-6 LiPo, and it states "6-18 NiCd" or "<u>6-18</u>"Ni-something </span>(rather than "5-18" like all ZTW), -then it has a good chance of being Sunray-made rather than ZTW made.</p>

It is not a foolproof method. -But it is a bit offun to look; <span style="font-size: small">Go on, try it yourself and see if it works ....

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<span style="font-size: medium">TESTING THE THEORY; APPEARANCE OF SUNRAY-MANUFACTURED ESC's:
</span>Lets look at some other SunRay Tech manufactured ESC's -and see if this "appearance theory"holds up:</p>

1st pic shows the Apache 90A ESC -It has the company name and logo at top of label, it has has " AP-90-OPTO" in middle, and it states "Brushless Controller" at the bottom. Also,it HAS <span style="font-size: small">YELLOW MOTOR WIRES</span>.
-Just from the appearance, we can be certain that Apache ESC's are made by SunRay Tech.</p>

2nd pic shows the Sonic Electric 45A ESC -the layout of the label is a little different, it has the company name and logo at top left, and it has Amp rating at top right. It then repeats the Amp rating in the lower right corner as "45A BEC". It states "Brushless Controller" at bottom of label, AND IT HAS <span style="font-size: small">YELLOW MOTOR WIRES</span> -this is a real give-away ...
-Once again, just from the appearance, we can be certain that Sonic Electric ESC's are made by the SunRay Tech factory.</p>

3rd pic shows the Pilotage Nova Line 45A ESC. The label layout of this one is a bit different -it has "CE" at top right, and states "NOVA 45A BEC" in large letters across middle. However it does state "NiCd / NiMH <u><span style="font-size: small">6-18</span></u><span style="font-size: small"> </span>" AND IT HAS <span style="font-size: small">YELLLOW MOTOR WIRES </span>...
-Just from appearance, we can have a good idea that Pilotage Nova ESC's might bemade by SunRay Tech.
However, we also have the added advantage of knowing that the programming of Pilotage Nova ESC's is identical to that of Hacker X-Pro ESc's ( - http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11464409 ) -and so we can be 100% confident that all Pilotage Nova ESC's are made by the SunRay Tech factory.</p>

<span style="font-size: small">So: The "appearance theory" <u>does</u> work ....
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great thread. Curious if their was a definitive fins for the escs used by ST models. Ive seen links to TH, but didnt see a link to the actual manufacturer. I have a Flyzone Corsair (ST), just a plain non labeled esc. Normally im pretty good at looking past the re-branding and finding the actual manufacturer, but cant find anything on this. Was hoping to find programming instructions for it. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&amp;I=LNCVBU

Hey DrMotor you have posted a lot of great info here. Is there any chance you found out who makes the ESC's for E-flight?

This is there new 130 amp LV ESC. <br type="_moz" />

I've been hearing lots of bad things about that 130 esc from the guys on helifreak. Seems to be some serious issues with it in the new Blade 550x

Who makes the Align esc´s?

Hello DrMotor, thank you very much for this very informative thread. I wandered over here after a an ongoing discussion on RCG about YEP active free wheeling controllers. I think you have done us a good service in researching these different controllers and just who produces them. It will help the willing to do some research and make better choices on their purchases. Thanks again for all your time and effort, very well done.

Cheers,
Dean

Well I think this is all much ado about nothin'! I have onsite experience with manufacturing in China and I can tell you that they are masters of reverse engineering and duplication of a product making it impossible to tell who made it. My company produced a complex electro-mechanical device there and within weeks of release two other Chinese factories were producing an exact duplicate. They contract local parts vendors and also get parts from the same vendor that makes parts for the original often buying up floor sweepings normally scrapped. That's why some work and some don't. It's just a box of chocolates.