Hi, did you manage to get hold of any instructions? i am after a set of plans myself but i have a set of instructions

Hello all, I know this is an old thread but I thought I would give it a go, I have what I believe is a Premire Tiger Moth, the structure was mostly built by a pro and finished by someone who had no experience. So I have removed the covering and am repairing everything and found that with the stab a 0 deg I have an upper wing incidence of -6 deg and a lower of -2 deg. I think this is incorrect but I have no manuals or plans, it should be about 0 on the lower wing and a minus 2 on the top, sound about right? I would gladly pay for a copy of the manual for this plane as I need control throws also, thank you.

I also just noticed I am missing the side external stringer, and the wing root fuse fairings were not covered, hmmm Glad you guys have posted a lot of pictures.

Hi, i have a set of instruction if you let me know your email i will photocopy the instructions for you but they are old and not so easy to understand but they have throws on there.

Nick

Thank you Nick, you are a Saint! [email protected] Corsair Brotherhood? I am also building a Byron Corsair, thanks, John.

It's been too long ago so I can't remember the build but it seemed to me the bottom wing and stab were both at zero and 2 degrees on the top wing.
I also don't recall the nose/fire wall on mine looking like the one you have. Doesn't mater if it's the same kit or not though, it's a Moth. The sides your missing were just 1/16 ply cut to shape.

Thanks Gray Beard, by the looks of the structure and T.M. pics on the net I felt the Premire kit was the closet, with a 67" span, and I am usually wrong so I am not positive of the make. With the stab at 0 deg I have a top wing at -6 and the bottom at - 2 which I did not like. The Great Planes .60 size ARF has the same dimensions you gave, 0 stab and bottom wing and top wing minus 2. Which I like, although the Flair Moth specs are stab + 1.5, top wing = 1.7 and bottom wing at + 3 deg. A little different. This plane is built so in a few hours I will go out and re-shape the fuse wing cutout to get the lower wing at 0 along with the stab. I think the struts could be part of the problem, all 4 are the same length with the wing being a clark y the aft struts should be longer. Thank you very much for the information, John.

The top wing on mine I THINK ended up as +2 degrees with everything else set at zero but it's been 10 years sence I built that plane. As I recall I had the blue prints tacked to my wall level at the datum line then measured the incidences with my meter and set the plane accordingly. I don't recall the incidence stated in the instructions.
During my Bipe years I often set all incidence at zero then changed them during the trim flights until I gave the planes what they wanted.
I'm still kicking myself for selling my Moth, fantastic plane but a pain in the butt to haul it. I kept my planes to 68 inches, any bigger and they didn't fit in my van without taking them apart.

This airplane will fit assembled in the back of my truck with a shell, nose down kitty corner type deal, I am hoping, I had a BUSA 1/4 Pup that would fit that way. I removed the wing to fuse fairings as they were misaligned and I thought stopping the wing from seating all the way, no help. What I did find was misaligned and "wallered out" holes to accept the wing L.E. dowels were keeping the LE from seating all the way into the wing cutout, gonna go mess with them and I should be able to hit that target 0 deg. In the past few years I have had a love affair with British airplanes, Have a TF Sea Fury, scratch built a Brian Taylor Hurricane that took forever to build, re-learned the density altitude lesson on it's third flight and put it in. When this Moth is done I want to build a DH Dragon Rapide while a Byron Corsair I waited forever to get sits neglected in the corner. Thanks for your input Gray Beard, ever in Reno check out our club, we have a beautiful paved runway out in the desert, John.

Funny, when I lived in Calif. just outside of Yosemite I went to Reno quite a few times. Now that I live in NV I never go north. I have all the shows needed right here, don't gamble but do like fine dinning and theater.
I have posted photos of my van loaded up with my Boeing P-12 and Moth loaded in my van with all the support equipment and gear needed to camp out for several days when I was flying IMAA events. Both planes stacked on there noses. The Moth went in a lot easier then the Boeing. The Boeing went in the van only in one direction, harder to remove then get in too.
I finished with Bipes years ago but still love them. The Moth was just the most relaxing plane I have ever had, a pure joy to fly. It landed easier then any trainer I have flown too. There is one photo of it in my gallery.

Nice models Gray Beard, the wife and I would visit LAS for the Imaa event on the El Dorado dry lakebed, that was when we were living in WA, always had a good time. Still hit the dry lakebeds here for test flights of big planes, last was a Ziroli Skyraider, which now sleeps with the fishes. I have P-12 plans somewhere around here, but I really like your Uravitch D-7......Still grinding away to get my 0 degrees, slow work, John.

I was a safety officer and inspectore with the club that held the Castle IMAA event, we did two Rally of the Giants for them and I went to a lot of events all over Calif. They were trying to get IMAA active again here at Bill Bennett field but right when they were getting started IMAA folded.
If the plans for the P-12 are John Tanzer be advised, the CG marked is off and if built to the plans it needs a ton of lead to CG. I built mine and it came out with the correct weight until we had to set it to the real CG then it took 3 pounds in the nose. I sent my plans to a friend and talked him through the build and his was a joy to fly and required no added weight.
I just got home this morning from the ElDorado lake bed. I live just a short way from Bennetts old home and the runway is still there so I fly there or the lake bed. We were also flying float planes at the lake but now the FEDs won't allow us to fly from the water?? Something about being UAVs? We can still fly from the field they put in for us but not off the water??
When I have an alignment problem like yours I fill in the holes with dowel and epoxy then just redrill correctly. Just saves time.
I built two of those little Fokkers at the same time. Gave one to a nephew. they were way over weight as built to the plans but flew well. I gave mine to a fellow at the LB and a week later he planted it. Very easy build and a good learning tool for people needing to learn to bend wire.

Gray Beard, I have no idea who's P-12 plans I have, they are buried, but I will make a note to see if they are Tanzier. Our club float flies every wed starting pretty soon at Boca Res in CA, about 30 mins from here, providing there is enough water. I have a Goldberg Cub on floats that is going on 29 years old, never on wheels, always floats. Wife bought it for me on our first Christmas, been busted and fixed only once, then I clipped the wings and put a Super Cub cowl on it. Scratch built a Schneider Cup racer from old Stream Inc plans, awesome lake flyer. I sure like that D-7, what is the span? I have put a few hours on trying to get that wing incidence correct, gave up, will try again tomorrow, John.

The little Fokker has a 49 inch span, the plans are from MAN/airage #FSP04852 Uravitch design. Ther is also a SE 5a to go along with it.#FSP03852 plus a D-VIIIFSP06852.
I built the Ziroli Swoose for a float plane, got it in the air then we got kicked off of lake Mead by the FEDs. Our little float planes are now UAVs and not allowed to fly off of the lake. We can still fly at the field they built at the lake but not off the water?? We can fly electrics from lake Las Vegas but I think glow or gas is not allowed?
I used two incidence meters to get the little Fokker set. It flew well but is a handful on the ground for take off. Yesterday a fellow at the lake bed had one about the same size, one of the old ARFs. It handled just like mine on the ground. Fine to land but take off was a thrill.
As designed the two I built were pretty heavy so if I was to build another it would go on a diet and everything aft would really get built light.

The little Fokker, heh heh, that short coupled stuff can be a pain, toe in helps a little bit, or enough power to blast off. One member built a swoose on floats but was too heavy to fly worth a darn, made an awesome boat tho. I have not heard from the Gent in England who offered to send me a pdf of the builders manual for the Moth, what I would really like is a copy of the plans, but old kits............

Finally got the incidence set correctly and strut length correct. Just have to add the strut wood. I didn't think about it before hand but look at the size of the shim I had to make for the top wing to hit -2 deg. Maybe this is not a Premire kit as the cabane struts are fixed at that angle, Flair 1/4 scale has odd wing incidence but I don't know if they made one in this size. Either way the stab is 0, lower wing 0 and top wing is -2 deg. Made sure it will fit assembled in the truck so I can go ahead with the rigging etc. Thanks for your help Gray Beard.

Hi, did you ever sort out a plans and instructions?
Regards
Nick

Hello Nick, no I did not, I have one very faint side view drawing is all. My model was started by a very good builder and finished by an arf foamy guy, no building experience at all. I bought it and did the best I couuld with using the pre-soldered center cabane incidence angles and some down in the motor mount. Did not fly well, climbed with anything much past 1/4 throttle. I believe the stab incidence is way off, if I remeber right it is about 5.5 degrees leading edge down. I am about midway thru on a Byron Corsair build and when that is done I will remove the stab and reset at 0 deg. The airplane is about useless as it is, but very pretty in the air, John.

Hi John,in the instructions it shows as 5deg right thrust but no down on the engine, just the engine mounted on the engine bearers which probably why you are climbing when you go past 1/4 throttle,and i believe the right incidence is 0 for lower wing and Stab and the top wing should stall first at +2 or minus 2 , i am not sure which it is that makes the wing stall first , i have recently purchased 2 of these kits of Ebay as i think i got lucky so i do have plans as well as instructions, i have taken pics of the instructions if you want them just email me and i will send them to you no worries.

Nick

btw the stab follows the centreal spine of the plane

How is the build going ( or gone) i have a premier kit i have putzed with over the past 28 yrs! Coming to bucket list item by now! Fussing with control surface stuff now. Lots f non information in the plans huh?

Hello my name is Frank from the Netherland.

I have recieved the kit PREMIER DH82A TIGER MOTH 55 inch from an inheritance, but the plans and instructions are missing.
Does anyone have the plans and instructions Digital? (pdf)

I really want to build this plane.

thanks,

Greetings Frank

Frank,

i have the plans and the assembly onstruction booklet as well. There are some marks on the pages of the building booklet however. Nothing to prevent use hoever. As for the plans my daughter can digitize them at work or print them off. One would be more expensive for shipping as there is no cost for printing or digitizing.

Canada is not that far from Holland anyway! Lol!

Very much enjoyed Holland while i was serving with the Cdn Army in Germany in the 60's

direct email for me is [email protected]

i will digitize and fwd the build book once I get home today. I am currently helping our daughter and Son in law move into thier new home in Guelph Ontario. Done enough building for a while! Lol

regards

Cec Draper

Hi all
I recently bought this model for my husband. He is so very eager to build it but the plans are missing. I know this is an old thread but is there a chance any of you could send me an electronic copy???? Please and thank you

You are in luck! I have the complete set in pdf format. Contact me directly at

cecild592 @ gmail.com remove extra spaces in the adress to send