It's here on RCU, in the marketplace...(My REFLEX-XTR) in a matter of fact i just lowered the price today to $165.00 shipped with the Futaba 9c adaptor. Let me know if you are interested, or just send me a PM or e-mail me at [email protected]. Dave(3-D Flyer)

Briansommers,
I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but Reflex XTR will weathervane the planes and blow them across the ground with wind too... Both AFPD and XTR simulate wind and flight very well... What they DON'T simulate very well is friction. If you had a plane on the grass obviously the friction would keep it from blowing around on the ground... It's not simulated though, so it does... Another place this can be seen on either sim is in the "indoor" scenes... Invert a heli and sit it on the roof with full negative pitch... On a real heli it would plant firmly on the ceiling and not move a hair (while you threw down your transmitter to run to the pepsi machine for a quick refresher... ) but in both Reflex and XTR it will "slide" along the ceiling like it were ice... Can't expect them to get everything perfect... [8D]

AAHHHHGRRR [:@]

oh well, ill see how i like it - if not im about ready to just forget these sims, man, i could be using that money toward a nice 4-stroke for my piper tri-pacer. mmmm...

Brian,

I feel the same way. I was tired of the debate! I thought seriously about buying another plane or radio instead. I realized that as a club instructor, I hadn't learned anything new in the past few years, because people were always waiting in line for me, at the field, to help them. I never got to fly my own stuff. My students from years past were passing me in their flying skills. If I was going to learn anything new, a simulator was the way to go.

This debate on whether to purchase AFP Deluxe or Reflex, to a point, is silly. Everyone wants to believe they bought the "right" one. They will argue until they are blue in the face. I caught myself doing the same thing on our club website. I chose Reflex and I don't regret it. One of my best friends bought AFP Deluxe, and he doesn't regret it. Several others haven't bought anything and are caught up in the debate. One guy that doesn't own either one has about 3 hours on AFP Deluxe and maybe 15 minutes on Reflex. He is highly respected in our club, and he says, "hands down, no questions asked, AFP Deluxe is the winner". A national group he is a member of has been a supporter of AFP for the past few years, so he is biased, in my opinion. He doesn't have enough time on Reflex to make that call. I am sure that he will sway many people his way. It is a shame! Not because Reflex is better than AFP Deluxe, but because both sims have a lot to teach. Each one has its specialties. I was interested in the Torque Roll Training, and the realistic tip stall characteristics when landing. Reflex does this real well. On AFP Deluxe, I had a hard time getting into a hover, and it took too much time to do so, so it wasn't practical for me because of what I wanted to learn. The planes in AFP Deluxe, in my opinion fly too easy, and don't like to tip stall when landing. That didn't do me any good either. My friend that is supporting AFP Deluxe likes the fact that the planes in AFP fly easy. He may like that they resist tip stall. Whatever his reason, that is what is important to him. He has a company sending him planes to fly for free, so what do I know? I guess all I am saying is look at yourself and ask what you are interested in learning, then read in every forum you can and find the one that will teach you what you are interested in. After the purchase is made, don't look back. Second guessing yourself will tear you up. I came to this forum to ask specific questions about Reflex airplanes, not debate the people that are trying to convince us Reflex users that we made the wrong choice. I asked a legitimate question in an earlier post about Reflex aircraft and no one has bothered to answer my questions because this forum has turned into another of many debate forums. If you own AFP Deluxe, I am happy for you, I really am. I don't fault you for your choice, but this thread is entitled, "How are the planes in Reflex XTR?". Could we please turn this back into a place where Reflex owners can learn to get the most out of our choice of simulators???

I'll get off my soapbox now. I hope no one took offense, as my comments were not intended in that way.

Andy

ya, but if everyone bought both and had time to compare and then said 1 is better then the other so naturally the will say something when people ask.

Tried all 3, refelx xtr owns.

buy afpd if you like, I did had fun for a while and probably would still have afpd had I not downloaded the xtr demo and played on my friends computer. took me just 2 hours to realize thier is no point in keeping afpd (this is after spending a solid 2 weeks on afpd)...

well i have my afpd for sale, and i did purchase the reflex xtr and its not here yet, but i am looking forward to it, just for the things you mentioned above! - tip stalling, years ago i lost a plane due to that and yes i too found that the planes didnt tip stall easy enough in afpd

I have both Reflex XTR and AeroFly Pro. I find that the planes fly and behave more realistic in XTR. As mentioned previously, the planes in XTR exhibit stalling more at low speeds. Reflex also mimics windy conditions more accurately than AFP. Although I like the variety of options you can do and more user friendly menus in AFP, I use XTR more for sharpening my skills. I fail to see how anyone can judge how good a sim is against another based only on "3D" physics. There are so much more varibles involved. To me, what matters is how realistic does the sim make me feel. Weather conditions and just generally flying around. I'm sure I am not the only one who bought a simulator program just to do "3D" manuvers. I haven't tried AFPD yet, but would like to.

Yes, if the plane won't tip stall, your sense of security is thrown out of wack. AFPD is menu friendly, but I want a sim that teaches me to be appropriately cautious as well as sharpening my skills. As far as 3D goes, yes, I am interested in that, but since 3D moves are done on the edge of a stall, how can you properly practice 3D if the plane won't stall? I believe both manufacturers will be tuning their physics as time goes. The updates are free in Reflex, but I don't know about AFPD. For now, I think it may be a matter of tuning our parameters, which is why I came looking here in the first place. If we make changes to the parameters, and we feel it helps a plane fly 3D better, or whatever we are trying to do, we need to share the changes. If the manufacturers felt that they had created the perfect sim, they probably would have locked us out of changing the parameters, or made very few changes available. Right out of the box, I feel Reflex is very accurate, but I have played with the CG a little to make the planes knife edge better. This, in turn has increased the possibility of a tip stall. That is real life! In addition, I have increased rudder and elevator throw on the download models to give me more authority, especially when hovering. To handle this, I have added more expo to my transmitter channels. Again, real life! To me, this is what we are striving for.

Andy

Brian:

Just a tip when setting up your radio. After calibration, go into your throttle programming. I don't know what radio you have, but I am using a JR 662. If you notice, you likely have -100% travel adj. when the stick is at idle, and +100% travel adj.at full throttle. You may find that you have little low end resolution for fine throttle adjustments when landing, especially if you like to three point your bird. Increase the low end travel adj. to around -110%. At this setting, the bird will continue flying at about 4 or 5 clicks of throttle, yet you can ease it to the ground with the remaining clicks of resolution. I found that without this increased resolution, the bird either wanted to flylevel or stall, which meant I had to come in hot. I have my real planes set up this way also, so nothing unreal about this.

Andy

thanks for that tip, i have a hitec optic 6ch coming

Brian:

Excellent choice! You should be able to use the throttle curves to improve your resolution. I have never had a radio with them, but from what I understand, they are really nice to work with.

Andy

wow that sounds cool, i didnt even know that had throttle curves, dont even know what they are, sounds good, i wanted a radio to endall radios for myself and even though im going to be buildng a piper tri pacer i want to practice helis and use them way down the road for video and photography platforms

The travel of a servo is linear, unless acted upon by exponential or some other feature. The throttle curves allow you to have a finer or more course movement, depending on the operation you need to maximize engine and prop performance.

Andy

Brian:

I looked a little closer at the throttle curves for you. It looks like, in the Optic 6, they are intended for the Heli's. I think I have seen them used in airplanes, but I can't find where I saw it.

Andy

Oh, when you get your sim, don't forget to download the free update.

[8D] Aloha,

I've been flying the EasyFly w/Add-On #2 for over a year ... then my neighbor bought the aeroFly Pro and we loaded it on my PC as his didn't have a serial port to plug it into ...

[8D] EasyFly teaches you the basics of take off, fly around, basic manouvres, getting the plane back and landing.

[8D] aeroFly Pro showed me I was ready for something better (I really didn't know ... I thought it was my poor flying skills why I couldn't hover the Eagle or Cap 232 in EasyFly) ... flying the Giles 202 in AFP showed me how much fun R/C Sim flying can be ... so reading the forums I locked on the Reflex XTR ...

Sadly, it's much harder to fly the Katana in Reflex XTR ... I can get it up 'n flip around 'n bring it back and land ... but it's tons more difficult ...

After I reset my radio controls to down from 150% to 100% and the rudder down to 75% I find flying the Katana still difficult but still a million times easier now ... I'm sure after another 100 hours of practice I might be ready to fly a real R/C Katana ... but I don't plan to waste too much money on a R/C Katana soon until I feel comfortable w/the simulator ...

I've never flown any of the Real Flight sim's but did try RipMax (Rip being the operative part of the name) ... I also flew the Brown sim a little on another friends PC ... it didn't impress me either ... I did like the balloon popping game in RipMax ... I hope more sim's add games ... maybe FunFly's ... with scoring etc ... that'd be nice.

[8D] As for flight dynamics ... I don't know what is real in Reflex XTR ... I do know all sims have some kind of flight dynamics and each interpretation varies with each flyer ... However, for the diffitulty of flying Reflex XTR v. AFP I plan to buy the AFPD too just for the practice ... it's still cheaper than a $500 plane that really breaks when you hit the ground.

CULr, Walt ...

BTW lookit some of my flying videos ... [X(]

http://4.35.224.21/AudioVideo/Video/...-Kadet-Senior/

http://4.35.224.21/AudioVideo/Video/...rVentedRascal/

http://4.35.224.21/AudioVideo/Video/EasyFly/

Hey Guys, can someone tell me where exactly to download scenerys too? I have the plane downloads all figured out but am having some difficulty placing the scenery downloads. It's all in German. I am trying to get the gym for the shockys but can not quite figure out yet where to put the downloaded files into. I am sure with some more playing around i might figure it out, but i figured i would ask one of you guys who have done it would get me there quicker. Thanks all, Yes i have decided to keep my Reflex AND my AFP-Deluxe. They are both cool. The downloaded planes from reflex are tweeked pretty nice, still needs work but it got me to stop the sale on this Sim! Thanks again all! Dave.

Hey Dave:

Before you drop any of the scenery files into Reflex, you need to download the update from: http://www.reflex-sim.dyndns.org/ref...073bd51665e833. This update has a gymnasium in it and many, many indoor fliers. Without this update, your downloaded sceneries won't work. The update has several other improvements also. For example, if you are not using a computer radio, you can still fly with expo by way of the programin the simulator. My JR 662 doesn't have expo on the rudder, so I have about 30% expo turned on in the simulator, but for the elevator and ailerons, I am using the expo in my radio. Another nice update, is the simulation no longer stops when you fly behind the line. Now, the red lines come up, to let you know you are flying where you shouldn't, but you can still fly your way out of there. I am not at home now, so I can't tell you what file to drop the the downloaded sceneries into. I don't remember, off the top of my head. I do know it is one of the last files. I will see if I can find the info and get back to you on it. Once the update is in, the scenery files drop in and run easily.

Andy

You need to save the files to the "Wlp" folder within the "Umwelt" folder. Just drag and drop, or copy and paste the hole file into the "Wlp" folder. Some of the sceneries are a little weird, with their depth of field, but I have enjoyed some, just as a backdrop.

Andy

Andy, Thanks for the info!! You have no idea how it thrills me to hear about this flying in the pits is alowed thing!!! That is the most annoying part of this sim IMO! I understand about not flying where you should not, but however in a sim i feel it is not necessary. When you are at the field you have a much better perspective of where to fly and where not to fly,as on the sim it is a little more difficult to see, on my sim i use it to practice 3D manuvers and some IMAC.... sometimes i will just dip over into the "no fly zone" and i get re-started that really pi$$es me off sometimes!!! Anyway i think that is great to allow it. (that is how AFP-Deluxe is) you can go whereever you want!! It makes it a lot more fun IMO!! Anyway thanks for taking the time to fill me in and especially for the link for the patch, I am going to try it out right now! I let you know how it works out. THANKS!! Dave.

Glad I could help! Have fun!!!

Andy

Hey Andy... well, i have not been able to get the patch yet, because for some reason i am not recieving the e-mail when i fill out their form. I have tryed like 6 times! I even e-mailed them and have gotten 2 replys saying that they can not give me a password directly it has to go thru their system. He tells me in broken english and terrible spelling that the problem is on my side. I checked out my e-mail settings, dissabled any possible stops (not that any were on that would stop an e-mail anyway) took down my firewall etc. Still no luck. I have no idea what is going on..... In the meantime i have not been able to upgade to the newest patch. I am starting to get frustrated with all this! [:@]Anyone know how i can get this patch (is it possible to e-mail me the patch?) i am by no means no computer wiz but i am just trying to figure out what to do. Thanks for any help! Dave.[8D]

Wow Dave! I am sorry to hear you are having trouble. The download came through for me. With dial up service, it took me an hour and a half or so to get. Is there anyone near you that has a CD burner that could download it???

By the way, when I requested the download, I had my password in a few minutes. Did you go through like you were going to do a $0.00 purchase? I agree, it was a little weird the way it was set up, but it did work.

Andy

Yeah, i went to request the password, submit my info and never yet recieved a password. I did this like 6 times since last week. I even tried contacting them and recieved a reply from Germany insisting it was my service blocking the e-mail or somthing. Funny thing is, i recieve all my e-mails and i even last time shut down my firewall, spamblocker etc, and still no responce. I don't know.... i guess i'll try and see if someone can register for me and get the password that way. This is kind of a pain in the neck. Honestly i cannot wait to get my Adaptor back from Ikurus so i can fool around w/ AFP-D again. I have been looking forward to both these sims for a long while and they both have been trouble, i hope it all pays off in the end, i know it will as i have had a fair amount of time on both, it's just a was kind of hoping to get the new patch for Reflex so i had more time on it so i can make a better judgement between the 2 after i ot my adaptor back. this is not helping matters! O well enough belly acheing, time to get back to trying to figure out how to get that d@$m password! Thanks, Dave.

Yes, Finally i am smiling! I got my downloads this evening.... F I N A L L Y !! I still don't know what was preventing me from getting that e-mailed password, i shut everything off!! Firewalls, spamguard etc. In the end i sent it to my sisters house and bam!! She got it right away. Oh well, It all worked out in the end. Thanks for you help Andy, i appreciate your offer. The new scenerys are pretty cool, the planes seem a little too easy IMHO to 3-d. but all in all it still gives you the stick reflexes i am looking for. Keeps the thumbs warm untill spring!
Now anyone know how you can actually take a picture of a scene ??? so we can upload some action shots? How is it these guys can do that? once again i am no computer expert so all i can think of is snaping a shot of the screen with my camera, but i know there has to be a way to freeze it and turn the picture into a file or somthing, this way we can post our action shots like others. i guess i am asking... how do you do it!!?? Thanks all! Dave.

Hi All
There is a new Zlin on the download site and it is sweet..............very sweet if.... your a scale guy or gal. The 3D set may give it the old HO HUM, but the down load is worth it, if for nothing other than the sound file... sweet... And by the way, did I mention that I liked it a lot. bert



http://www.rc-sim.de/dl_engine_eng/i...c999d3bed3df63