try also to spot the position of the pilot on the runway spesialy at take off!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hYNOFDRL8M

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those are the guys that kill our hobby.. [:@]

very very dangerous! []

he should be banned to fly, or even buy planes...

I TOTALY AGREE!!! THERE WHERE SITING DUCKS AND HE MISSED ALL OF THEM!

You would think when the aircraft is coming behind you youd would cut the power but no, Ill just keep going and say "sorry"............what an idiot!

It just proves any idiot can buy a jet but can they fly it?

I'm lost for words to describe this guy right now - I almost wish he'd just crashed so there's no chance of him causing more carnage!

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Unbelievable!, whoever he was he should be banned from flying ANYTHING ever again. This kind of idiot will kill someone soon, and we will be picking up the pieces.

i think you are corect! so BVM is so expensive for safety reasons?!lol...sorry i couldnt resist the temtension

So what has BVM got to do with this? Absolutely nothing. Way too many people too close to the flight line for starters. This pilot should NOT be flying jers period.
Al Watson

Everyone's quick to lynch the pilot but what did he do? Made a mistake & then took the wrong action to correct it. I'm sure all of you have done that at one time or another (those that say no I would say are being very economical with the truth.) Apart from hitting a bump on take off, and the consequent save, the flight was fine, considering how frightened he must of been from nearly collecting people who should not have been there in the first place.

No mention of all the 'sitting ducks' lined up a couple of metres from the strip like some sort of human safety fence. Was it an organised event? If so who let them stand there?

I remember a video months ago of some Italian (?) idiots flying jets when it was almost dark, but I guess that was ok, everyone on RCU seemed to think THAT was cool. No talk of them being 'pr@tts' or banning them for life. - John.

Obviously the guy can fly, as the rest of the flight was uneventful. After the plane hits the divot, or whatever it was to make it veer, the plane is into the spectators in less than 3 seconds. How many of our tubines can go from full throttle to low or off in that amount of time IF you can hit the kill switch that fast.

I think the problem is where the spectators are and why its best to start the takeoff run past the pilot stations. In this case there is no pilot station or barrier as is the case at many flying fields.

Im not sure if you read the youtube commetns but one guy posted this : Which i must admit kind of makes sence becasue he landed much further out and it did apear smother so could it be he took off on a taxi way [:@][&:][X(]

I agree with flying freak, never mind what happened after the jet started moving but lets concentrate on what happened before. The pilot should have been conscious of the fact that those spectators were standing that close behind him and if you look closely the jet is pointed slightly towards the crowd before he even throttled up. He should have been more concerned with safety than the crowd is because he has more knowledge (or should have more knowledge!!) of the capabilities and damage that is possible with the turbine jets we fly. The spectators want to get as close as possible and need to be told to stay back. At least he could have pointed the jet away for the take off regardless of wind.

That guy that jumped couldn't have timed his jump any better.

You're absolutely right ... but I guess that if you are a rep for another company and are unable to make your own product look good, then you instead just continually make silly digs at BVM.

I absolutely agree with Boomerang and Mark P. The phrase filed discipline comes to mind. This is an operational matter and should have been prevented by the club's safety officers, presuming they have one. If this club operates in this way, the inevitable accident is only a matter of time. Then why did the pilot start his take off run just a few feet out when he clearly had more room?
Regards,

John

I cannot believe anyone is coming to the defence of this PR@T!

The responsibility for safely in a situation like that lies with the pilot.

1) He should l have refused to take off with the spectators so close and not behind him.
2) He (it would appear) selected the wrong runway area.
3) The second the plane veered off towards the spectators (which was immediately) he should have killed the engine and applied brakes if he had them or at least full down elevator. (he could have even retracted the gear)
4) He should NEVER have continued with the take off. It lifted off and continued because he was holding in up elevator, by doing this he allowed further acceleration and brought the plan to body/head height.


I stand by what I said; no excuses are valid for this one.

Boomerang -
I think I can really swear an extremely holy oath and say that I - and the rest of the guys in my club here -
have NEVER started a take-off almost in line with a lot of spectators, then see that it was a disasterous take-off and still
just continuing the attempt. No matter if he can fly, he has made some very, very bad decisions from the start of this
near-accident and should have someone watching him the next time he chooses to fly...
Take another look at the video and you will see that the plane turns to the right as soon as he spools it up, then hits a
small bump, but there is PLENTY of time to hit the brakes or shut down the turbine. Doing so, he might still have hit
someones leg or foot at moderate speed, but the choice to take off is not worthy of a pilot who flies jets.

Tor

Icepilot

On the button! I agree 100%

No one is defending this guy's bad decisions.
This doesn't just apply to jet pilots. If that was prop plane the guy that face planted may have been torn a new you-know-what.

im sorry .. i just trying to be funny [] ..at least im not flying like this gy![8D]

Gentlemen,
I completely disagree with your comments. While I am not a turbine pilot, I fly plenty of fast planes and just as dangerous if not more so with the quisanart blade on front.
His first pass around went directly thru the sun, he got lucky all over again that he was able to pick it back up and finish the flight.

Poor pilot indeed.

I agree with Icepilot. I’ve been flying a long time and a similar thing happened to me but on landing. Deadsticked a Byron hellcat and our approach to the runway is over a road. Well a car decided to stop right in front of my plane and I new that I would not be able to clear the car so I dumped the plane. Take a thirty+ pound plane into the window of a car with kids, NO THANKS. It is solely on the pilot to determine the safety of everyone around when he or she is flying. The spotter is also to blame for the incident. That’s why he is there, TO SPOT. The pilot made a bad decision, and the blame falls on him and him alone. When I got my turbine waiver I was told that I had to do a figure 8 pattern. Well, I told the CD that was with me that I couldn’t, because that would take the plane either close or over the pits. My problem with this is that the pilot even though it aperes he could fly, wasn’t aware of where the spectators were and it spiraled down from there.

Ok, I deleted all inappropriate posts here and cleaned up the attempts at bypassing the swear filter. Lets keep this as mature as possible or it will be closed ASAP. Although I'm not sure it should be left open anyway......

What a Bone Head.

Gene

Nope, didn't scroll down & read the posts, just watched the video. I have scrolled down on these sort of sites before & it's cr@p city so I don't waste my time. If he is taking off from the taxiway & that's why the crowd was close he IS a pr@tt & deserves everything he gets. I'm glad I don't fly in Tungubokkum, what a circus. The crowd are still too close if something, even minor, goes wrong. - John.

Well I certainly wasn't defending the guy, I agree with your opinion of him. But the club has some responsibility too. You have to legislate for the lowest common denominator and have eyes in the back of your head because if you don't, you soon have the lunatics running the assylum!