I ordered four 1/4 x 2.5" rotor retainer bolts from BVM.
I got a bill for $36.00 + tax.
I was told that they were harden steel. But at $9.00 a pice. WOW!
I went to the Micro Fasteners web site & found the same bolts for $3.80 for 20 bolts, thats .19Cents a peice. Can this be the same as above?
Am I missing something here?
MB

Yup.... Thirty Five dollars & Twenty Four cents + tax.

$35.24 is pretty steep for packaging & handling. It's just like Mercedes or Porsche parts. You've got to pay for that "BVM " logo.

I figured that, and the $36.00+tax was not even including shipping charge of $$7.50.
MB

I know, I shouldn't be in this hobby!

Why do you say that? What dictate's that you should pay such an outlandish price for four bolts.

Sometimes you have to bypass the middle man & go directly to the source. An example is the ten feet of retract air line tubing that you get neatly rolled & packaged from Robart for six bucks at the LHS.
I did a little research and found the exact same tubing in fifty foot rolls for ten bucks a roll. Another example was locating Tygon tubing in fifty foot rolls for $25.00.

The hobby is expensive enough without paying outrageous prices for the trivial stuff

from my experience most hobby shops make the bulk of the profit from the "little stuff" , but sometimes it's worth it in order to build up a good relationship with a shop, especially when you need some warranty work or a good deal on that "new" plane that just came out.

I agree with you Countryboy 100%.
That's why I'm sending 3 of the bolts back for a $27.00 credit. Will keep only one bolt to prove that I'm being bolted big time when I see that the 20 bolts for $3.80 are the same thing.

I buy all my bolts at www.mcmaster.com I buy all my aeropoxy which is Hysol 9462 at mcmaster.com I buy all my retract tubing at ................mcmaster.com all my fuel tubing same place. All my festo fittings that we pay so much for............ festo.com / contact local dealer through them. You can skip the BVM wheels and brakes and get similar quality (in my opinion) from great northern models. When I say bolts above, I mean every type of fastener from 4/40's to 6/32's all socket head, stainless steel or hardened alloy, there are many choices. Don't forget all the washers and blind nuts!! They are inexpensive there too. Can't think of any other places I find bargains at the moment. You have to be patient with the mcmaster website. They sell tons and tons of stuff and you have to find the "right" thing. It's offen burdensome, but you do end up with good quality stuff. Also, try harborfreight.com for shop tools. Great bargains there and have never felt cheated by what I got. Sean

Man, I thought it was only Australian modellers that are stitched up........
I agree with you other guys, it pays to do a little research and shop around.
I've just bought a MOKI 2.10 and saved myself over $220.00AUD by shopping around. Payed $430.00AUD mount included.
Cheers
Ossie

What I don't like is a 4oz header tank (UAT) that cost $50 and I would bet that it does not cost $2 for the manufacturer to produce! These people seem to think that because you pay 2 to 3K for a turbine that every thing else should be inflated in price as well...... There is no doubt that BVM has the best stuff on the market but the price is crazy!

If the part you are talking about is the rotor retaining bolt, part no BVM 4060 send me your address and I'll send you one for free, I'll never use the one I have and its still in its original packing.

$9 for a bolt, c'mon !!!!!!

BRG, David Gladwin

Thanks for your generous offer David, but I already kept one & ordered 20 from the web site mentioned above.
MB

Hi all,

Just a question . . . .

Did you not have an indication on what the price would be when you ordered ?

If not then all well and good for being shocked at the price, but should you not have asked first.

If you did know the price, then what can I say . . . . .

Why don't people shop around before comitting themselfs to a sale. After all the first quote you get for any service should be looked at in detail before parting with cash.

I wouldn't blame BVM. I think it is like anything. If people as stupid enough to accept the price on sale of goods, then who can blame them.

P.s. I get my bolts by the pack of 100's or 1000's as required only 5 miles away.

I placed an order for other items at 1st on there web site were prices are shown. The particular rotor bolt was not listed on the site, so I called & ordered with out asking for the price thinking that it could't be more then $1.00 per bolt.
If I would of known the price I would not have ordered it, my mistake.
MB

I got a few emails wanting to know part numbers I order from McMaster Carr, so here goes:

98335A034 Zinc-Plated Steel Hairpin, Fits 3/16"-1/4" Shaft Dia Range, 15/16" Overall L 1 Pack
1 Pack shipped 07/23/2003 via UPS GROUND on Shipment-1. 1 Box shipped.

2 91251A148 Alloy Steel Socket Head Cap Screw, 6-32 Thread, 1/2" Length 1 Pack
1 Pack shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

3 91083A007 Plain Steel Sae Flat Washer, #6 Sz, 5/32"ID, 3/8"OD, .036" Thk, Approx 790/PK 1 Pack
1 Pack shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

4 90633A007 GR2 Znc Plt Stl Hex Thin Nylon-Insert Locknut, 6-32 Screw Size, 5/16" Width, 1/8" Height 1 Pack
1 Pack shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

5 90975A007 Steel Tee Nut, Zinc-Plated, 6-32 Internal Thrd, 1/4" Barrel Ht 1 Pack
1 Pack shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

71245K35 Stranded Single-Conductor Machine Tool Wire, 14 Awg, .136" Od, 600 Vac, Green 10 Ft.
10 Ft. shipped 07/09/2003 via UPS GROUND on Shipment-1. 1 box received 07/14/2003 at 11:24:00 AM by N BOOTH at RECEIVER.

2 71245K32 Stranded Single-Conductor Machine Tool Wire, 14 Awg, .136" Od, 600 Vac, White 10 Ft.
10 Ft. shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

3 91458A130 Loctite 222 Threadlocker ADHESIV,.5 Ml,purple 2 Each
2 Each shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

4 92196A110 18-8 Stainless Steel Socket Head Cap Screw, 4-40 Thread, 1/2" Length 1 Pack
1 Pack shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

5 92196A115 18-8 Stainless Steel Socket Head Cap Screw, 4-40 Thread, 1" Length 1 Pack
1 Pack shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

6 92196A302 18-8 Stainless Steel Socket Head Cap Screw, 4-40 Thread, 1-1/4" Length 1 Pack
1 Pack shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

7 91831A005 18-8 Stainless Steel Hex Nylon-Insert Locknut, 4-40 Screw Size, 1/4" Width, 9/64" Height 1 Pack
1 Pack shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

8 90975A002 Steel Tee Nut, Zinc-Plated, 4-40 Internal Thrd, 1/8" Barrel Ht 1 Pack
1 Pack shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

9 90945A707 18-8 Stainless Steel Nas 620 Flat Washer, 3L Sz, No. C3L, .102"ID, .180"OD, .014" Min Thk 1 Pack
1 Pack shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

10 98335A024 Zinc-Plated Steel Hairpin, Fits 1/8" Shaft Dia Range, 19/32" Overall Length 1 Pack
1 Pack shipped on Shipment-1 (See above)

51605K13 Mini Acetal Snap-Lock Tube Coupling, Socket W/Barb, Straight Through, 1/16" Tube Id 10 Each
6 Each shipped 07/07/2003 via UPS GROUND on Shipment-1. 1 box received 07/09/2003 at 9:55:00 AM by N BOOTH at RECEIVER.

4 Each shipped 07/07/2003 via UPS GROUND on Shipment-2. 1 box received 07/10/2003 at 10:07:00 AM by T BOOTH at RECEIVER.

2 5070A11 Quick-Grip Squeeze Clamp, 1-1/2" Maximum Opening 2 Each
2 Each shipped on Shipment-2 (See above)

3 5070A12 Quick-Grip Squeeze Clamp, 2" Maximum Opening 2 Each
2 Each shipped on Shipment-2 (See above)


51605K11 Mini Acetal Snap-Lock Tube Coupling, Plug W/Barb, Straight Through, 1/16" Tube Id 10 Each
10 Each shipped 06/30/2003 via VELOCITY-HOU on Shipment-1.

Line Part Number Description Quantity
1 74695A71 Duo-Pak Dispensing Cartridge Gun And Mixer, Dispensing Gun With 1:1 & 2:1 Plungers 1 Each
1 Each shipped 06/30/2003 via VELOCITY-HOU on Shipment-2.

2 51135K131 Silicone Rubber Tubing, Firm, 3/32" Id, 7/32" Od, 1/16" Wall, Blue 10 Ft.
10 Ft. shipped 06/30/2003 via UPS GROUND on Shipment-1. 1 box received 07/03/2003 at 9:46:00 AM by N BOOTH at RECEIVER.

3 5236K62 Silicone Rubber Tubing, Firm, 3/32" Id, 7/32" Od, 1/16" Wall, Red 10 Ft.
10 Ft. shipped on Shipment-2 (See above)

4 50335K34 Multiline Ether-Based Polyurethane Tubing, 1/16"ID,1/8"OD, Green-Yellow-Orange-Red, Four-Line 12 Ft.
12 Ft. shipped on Shipment-2 (See above)

5 74695A27 Plastic Hand Plunger For, Duo-Pak Dispensing Cartridge Gun And Mixer 1 Each
1 Each shipped on Shipment-2 (See above)

6 74695A12 Bayonet Mixer Nozzle 5.9"L,1/16"TAPER Tip For, Duo-Pak Dispensing Cartridge Gun And Mixer 12 Each
12 Each shipped on Shipment-2 (See above)

7 74695A57 Duo-Pak Dispensing Cartridge Gun And Mixer, Bayonet Mixer Nozzle, 3.4" Long, 1/16" Taper Tip 12 Each
12 Each shipped on Shipment-2 (See above)

AEROPOXY IS Hysol 9462 1813a227 THEY CALL IT 9642 BUT THE NUMBERS ARE JUST TRANSPOSED AND I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT THE SYSTEM TO HAVE IT CHANGED. BUT IT IS VERIFIED THAT THE HYSOL THEY SELL UNDER PART # 1813A227 IS THE EXACT SAME AS BVM AEROPOXY.

If there are any questions about a particular line item as to what it is, just ask. But you can go to their site and just punch the part number in and usually see a picture. One noteworth item, I believe the socket with barb (or the white airline connector you get at bvm's website for quick disconnect) are less expensive at BVM'S SITE than at mcmaster carr. I don't know why. I overpaid bigtime on this item without really checking into it. Other than that, you'll save gobs of money on these type of items rather than at your LHS, or BVM. Especially the aeropoxy stuff. BVM charges like $60.00 for the gun that mcmaster sells for $20.00 and he probably gets for 12 to 15.

Also, on the comment above related to UAT. George can kick in here, but I believe he is making what he calls a UHT Ultimate Hopper Tank. It is IDENTICAL to someone else's product at $40.00 or so. He does have a product announcement on it. Believe it or not, there really are some expensive parts to this device. The bag inside is something like $10.00 or more all by itself.

By shopping around and being frugal, I built and flew a brand new Kangaroo with everything in loaded including a 10 channel PCM receiver and all the trimmings for about $2800 including Turbine (the uht was not available at the time I did spend the $57.00 on the UAT). You don't have to shell out the incredible amounts of money that we're getting taken for every day to have a safe reliable model.

This hobbie is a little like boats, anything that says Marine is more expensive, but shopping IS smart.

I have one of Georges UHT's, and a sweet little tank it is. I am glad I got it, I can paint BVM on the side if I want to.


Terry

If it was not for BV figuring out that the aeropoxy glue system works great for the application that we are using it in, how many of us would be using it today, or even having this conversation, or knowing that aeropoxy is really hysol now sold by locktite.

just a thought.

Doug, I hate to disagree with you cause I have all the respect for you in the world and I hope you know that. BV came across the HYSOL while looking for an epoxy that would perform, and be easy to install. If we all had hundreds of dollars to investigate adhesives that work well on our planes, we'd have found it too. What that company did is then repackage this product and sell it for a particular application at a profit. Which is fine. If he can get $200, more power to him. My guess is, someone in the hobby that had knowledge of HYSOL, noticed that the BV product aeropoxy was the same as whatever he knew about HYSOL. There is no way that BV or associate stood up and said "this is the same as HYSOL 9462". Someone else had to draw the link. And then they shared it with the community. As far as the other products here, I'm not saying don't support your local hobby shop. Hell I spend on average several hundred a month at my LHS. If they go out of business ever, it's not gonna be because I wasn't supporting them. And in some cases, it makes sense to just go to the LHS and pick up a $13.00 tube of aeropoxy rather than wait on MCmaster to send it to you for $9.00. While on this subject there is another thread on RCU about geting 9462 for $6.60 a tube. But back to your orifginal message, I don't agree that BV or associates was responsible for bringing everyone to this product, it would have been a natural find for someone, of course I have to assume based on your message that no one was using this product in a jet application prior to aeropoxy coming on the market, which I don't know. But he sure didn't bring 4-40's and all the other stuff you can get at mcmaster. Which is really the reason I chimed in in the first place.

Here's the love.........and how's Toby?

Sean

OK, here's a viewpoint.

The word "cheat" has been dispensed here. I think that is extremely unfair. Who is really now getting cheated? The buyer admits he never asked the price, something he should have done. He is now going to return items, and BVM is going to have to take some time and effort, which costs money, to accomadate him. The buyer then goes on the internet and complains about the whole thing, attempting to damage the reputation of the company.

It's OK to not be happy about the price, but don't you think simply calling BVM, returning the item, and moving on would have been more appropriate then publicly attacking them in this forum?

I'm not sure public attack is a correct statement. This is public forum where I perceive to be a place where we can all get together and share knowledge. We can have any opinions we want and I hope not to be called names. But who cares if I am. I agree with Bob on save the LHS. I consider my LHS owner a friend and I've helped him set up selling on Ebay and other stuff. He's a great guy. But my hobby dollars and others need to be stretched as far as possible. 100 Screws from LHS costs $25.00. 100 Screws from Mcmaster is $5.00. Sometimes less expensive means more people can get in to it. The more people, the more competion, the lower prices for all of us and to some extent more enjoyment.

AMEN!

Seanreit...I'm pretty familiar w/ McCarr, can't find your 1813A227, don't see any epoxies w/o a '6 or 7' prefix (catalog # 106)

Maybe I'm in the wrong section; be most appreciative if you'd lead me by the hand, here! Tx

Ray