Doesnt anyone here just use a small flat scredrivedr to pull back the tooth back which hold the tie on??? takes a min and its dead easy. cheep in th elong run.

it always makes me shudder when someone spaps one[&:]

do you boys seriously think IH would allow somthing that they believe is sub standard to come out !?

Make it EFFECTIVE, make it AWESOME... make it HANDSOME.

right thats banked whats next

Make it QUALITY, AS FLOWN, LIGHT, EASY BUILD, WITH THE REQUISITE SEXY BITS....... that take a little time.....

but get your kleenex ready !

hi all..............

any more news archie? crembos creeping up mighty fast...........

I am starting to look at other power plants incase my Moki 180 will end up too heavy for the Capiche 140. I have just worked out that engine, silencer, mount, prop and fuel will equate to around 4.5lbs when fuelled up! Maybe the Saito 150?
Maybe the 180 will be fine and just be the 140 size equivalent of that 91fx powered Capiche 50, but i still have to get the £100 aviation alloy silencer, which would end up me spending £330 in total on the engine. It might be better off cutting my losses and going for a part exchange, especially considering Just engines are doing a Christmass special price for a Saito 150 of £320.
What do you guys think? I really like my Saito 72 powered Capiche 50, so maybe it makes sense to have a Saito powered 140ex too!
Luke

Ultimate,

I did some quite violant blenders at the 3style comp.

The wings are a good fit and and tension on the wings (forward, backwards,up, down) makes it hard to pull them off.

that said i would not try to fly it without the tye wrap on perpose, but it is plenty strong enough.


im taking the 200 mile round trip to the Barons tomorrow to pick up the new wings

Sorted

will it be worth it tho??? lol

wot do you rekon about servo torque, how much. i like the look of thos hitec digi corless 13kkg jobbies. i cant afford futaba/JR all round. especially wen i gotta get a nice lumpup the front

LUUUKE feel the force

YS 120 or 140 cant you feel it yet

on the second flight at the 3style comp i did a wall from a vertical down line very low and the futaba 9450 digital could not move the elevator!! the plane just done a very smooth radius pull out and as it got level (with me snapping the elevator stick off) it got hold and banged into a wall!! (and i laid a brick wall!!)

i changed the servo to a JR 8411 and it has been perfect.

i am an avid futaba man but all my big planes have JR 8411 servos in. there is not another servo to beat it.

DO NOT skimp on elevator servo!! i would suggest that you use two servos one in front of the other with a link across the two if cheaper servos are used. this is a serious toy not for the average Sunday flyer, they should go and buy a Mick Reevs Gangster

i was planning to use one either side, do you mean i have to use 4 servos???

Luke, the Saito 150 should be fine. Looking in the tachometer forum, it gives about the same readings as my YS 120, which I plan to use.

Having said that though, the engine I would get if going new is the new YS 140 FZ sport. I doubt it would be more than the 150, probably even less. Drop Archie and Probuild an email to find out. Only down side is you will need another fuel as the 10% formular irvine you use will be really pushing it - contains castor and is a bit too low on nitro. Oh and you would need a proper pipe to get the noise down to EMC levels.

In the long term, I plan on getting the 140, and using the 120 in something else.

got model tecnics 20/20 stuff. thats wot id get for my YS if i wa gonnaget one.

but wot would wou rather have.................YS 20/20 for 17 quid a gallon (for me, i think its about 20 in shops) or bekra strait for 8

If I was youz I'd look into a second hand Ys 140L, there should be loads of em somewhere, or the Ys 140 Sport.
You haven't lived until you've tried a YS!

YS is indeed the only true solution !

servos... the recopmmendation is a minimum of 5kg per elevator. preverably 7 or more.

Provision will be made in the kit for rear mounted direct drive elevator servos so yes edible you can have 2 - 1 each side.

Rudder wil be closed loop... minimum 7kg, preferably 9 or above for expert.

re Saito
I looked at a 180 in an Edge 540 the other day and was surprised to see the recomended prop at 16x8, and as used by Mike McConville too...
The 140L is excellent at 3D with the 17x8... so what does that say for the Saito !?

Most people under prop it. I have seen only one Saito 180, it was quite happy with a Graupner 18x6.

The 150 should not have any problems with the APC 17x8, but the 140fz/L would do better.

Seeing the C 140's at the freestyle was a bit of an eye-opener! Everything looked sooo smooth and easy, i was seriously impressed (something to do with the pilots i'm sure!) - i want one!

But...

What do you suppose the cost would be for an engine (Ys 140 seems to be the thing to have according to this thread!), new servos all round (best not to risk using my 148's huh?!), and of course the kit? Just roughly anyway. I'll make sure i'm sat down before i read any replies! Do you think there will be student discounts?! Maybe not.

I'm sure you're sick of hearing this but... when is the 140 gonna be ready?

if you want a decent setup its going to be a seriously expensive model, and whilst plenty have people have expressed interest I wonder how many will actually spend the money. I would really like a c140, but the cost is putting me off. What would I use it for, that I dont currently use the c50 for ? It seems a bit OTT as a model to fart around with on a sunday afternoon which is what I use the c50 for and I suspect most other Capiche users too. Maybe if there were more freestyle /3d competitions and/or flyins then I would buy one.

Personally I would like to see a slightly smaller size - around 66 to 68 inch span , under 8 lbs, for 90 2 strokes, or 120 4 strokes, that way I can use a cheaper engine running on cheaper fuel. I know you could run the c140 with a moki but then I need a sepcialist silencer. Admittedly servos would still be fairly expensive , but I think there would be a bigger market for it IMHO.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, and that I'll eventually convince myself to get a YS equipped c140, drool, drool ..........

Ultimate. I thought like you with pattern planes....until a had a go of someones 2 metre.

The bigger stuff is just so smooth and nice to fly. If you love flying that Capiche 50 then the 140 will make you jiz in ya cackies.

OK, the prices I hope/expect to pay for my C140:

£250 - £300 for the kit (no I dont know what the price will be)
£120 for Hatori pipe and Manifold
£260 for 5 digital Hitec servos
£20 for profilm (I have loads but only in red, white and blue)

Say a total of £650 to £700[]. Probably add another £100 for odds and sods and mistakes etc.

I'm lucky I already have eveything else (YS 120 FZ, Gator engine mount, receiver and battery, tetra fuel tank, carbon rods, etc)

If you are buying the engine and stuff as well, add another £400 - £500 (assuming YS).

That is why I am trying to save my money at the moment. Not doing too well . Though I have managed to sell some old stuff which has helped. I will have to hold off ordering the servos until needed to make sure I can afford them. At least this not trying to spend has meant me concentrating on finishing other projects rather than buy new ones. You never know I might actually get my Hornet heli finished (I started it in January).

As for why I want one? Well I have always wanted a two metre pattern ship, but the really nice ones are all made of composite with foam wings (and cost a fortune). With the C140 it is proper construction with a built up fuz and wings. And it does 3D!!

As for why not stick with the C50 and other 40/60 size planes, well for the most part I will, but I do believe it when they say bigger planes fly better, so I want to try one. Also, I want to push myself and fly with the big boys. To do that I think it will help having the big boys' toys (actually probably won't, having their skill and ability would be more helpful[&:])

I would also like to see a 60/90 size Capiche, but I don't think one is planned. I therefore plan to get the MK 3D Dancer instead. However that will cost me just as much as the C140 as I'll be buying a YS 110 new for it.

tusk tusk, you are skimping on the servos

the hitec 5945 have bags of torque, and are quick, but mine are a bit sloppy. I think the JR digi equivalents would be better if more expensive

Personally I would not go for the Hitecs... false economy... do you know there is one guy building his third Capiche 50... the first was a proto which got flown to death, the second was a full Monty kit which got hardly no time in before it got spanked, and he came back for a third!

What happened to the second ? Elevator servo stripped its gears in flight.... yep you guessed it... Hitec !

He will be putting something else in this time I suspect... still... good feedback when they come back for another kit !

Anyway...this is about 140s...

Newsletter due out tonight with some 140 news and opportunities for subscribers ! saying no more !

IH will Im sure be doing deals when the kits are done for radio and engines and all the bits and pieces....

Simon... that comment did make me laugh ! But its true... you really do get what you pay for in this life and the C140ex with YS power is a mercedes of the aero world (unless you dont like mercs!)

The 140 was actually designed before the 50, and it was my having a go on the 140 and getting jiz.. well y'know.. that prompted me to push Baron to do the 50.... "What if we could get 140 style performance in a 50 sized plane" or something like that was how it started...

The 50 has surprised a lot of people... now imagine all that capability with something smoother, that seemed to do it slower and easier.... The 140 is an absolute puppy to fly and it will undoubtedly make you look like an expert if you dont think you are now !

Ive not been excited about a new model like this since the C50.... and before that... probably my competition pattern model from the early nineties ! (which Im resurrecting at the moment since it hasnt flown for donkeys... in fact I think it was the Baron that last flew it ! - still got all the original gear in ! and the 120AC is getting a strip down and service before going back in - there that indicates how old it is ! Was the best YS on the market at the time !)

anyway Im blabbing now...

If you are not subscribed to FlyCapiche then pull your finger out and subscribe at the website... not much time left...

adios amigos!

Yes, about £60 more expensive for the five I need[&o]. So now I'm thinking about it. You guys are a very bad influence.[&:]

Hoorah! only half a month late.

OOOh i am tempted for a YS, but i think i will go for a Saito 150 with the standard silencer that comes with it(dont have to get one of those £100 hatori things)- i will be able to use the same fuel as my Capiche 50. Plus ive got the Just engines service. I don't think a second hand 140DZ will run on Irvine contest 10%?
I think iw will go for Hitec 549 coreless- i have them on my Capiche 50 and i am very pleased with them.
Luckily it won't be TOO much altogether(), but i expect it will have me spending around 150(upgrade to saito)+300(kit)+250(servos)+150(covering, mount, links, battery, reciever)= £850!
Reminds me of someone saying that if i sold my grandmother to pay for it it would be worth it!
Of course mum, don't be so supicious it only cost £200
Good thing i got a job to pay for it, and Christmass is coming up!
Looking forward to the newsletter.

id very much like the dingo, i could get it for about 250 but a guy on here (whoos name has escaped me) is sellin a Moki, BCM pitts scilencer and a couple of props for 135 quid so i may have a thort about it.

the hitec 13kg digi thingbobs im planning to get i hope will be OK. that'll be 26kg of torque on the elevator! or meby just 13

im gonna go posh on the throttle and make it ballraced[8D] lol

hey archie, can you tell us when the newsleter has been emailed

Edible you are starting to do my head in ! []

I dont need to post here to say when the newletter is out because you will receive it... just like you dont need to post here to say you sent someone a pm.

That's me selling the Moki and other bits Ian! There can't be a cheaper way to get over 9600 rpm on a 16 x 8 prop[sm=thumbup.gif].I was gonna sell it & then buy the C 50 with the dosh, but you now how things are, I got the C50 AND the Moki Now! Still selling if anyone wants?