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Old 01-27-2007 | 12:08 PM
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Remember, these are CHAINSAW motors....
I use Pennzoil because of the various write ups about it. You can order a 12 pk on the Internet for a pretty cheap price
That is another thing that makes these motors almost too good to be true. They are piston port--no extra parts to go bad--designed and proven to be robust. No purpose built model aircraft motor of similar weight and power can compare with this expected reliability and ease of care/use.

Do you remember where you are ordered the Pennzoil online?
Steve, I didn't order any because my Wally World stocks it, but all I did was Google "Pennzoil Outdoor Equipment Oil"..... and watch the return count!!!!!! Takes yer pix.... all of them pretty competitively-priced, I think.
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It always seems to spoil things when the canopy goes away--Is it OK?

Thanks for the flight report. Sounds promising--like a good combo. Did you get a weight on the plane with the 40 on it? Can you tell much difference with the increased pound or so of weight?
Few more flights today and here are some specs.
weight with 6oz of fuel onboard 12lbs on the nose
thrust as measured with rapala digital fish scale 16lbs on the nose
RPM 7100 w/3w 19x8

I had to weight it 3 or 4 times and reset the scale each time to make sure it was right. If i recall from memory with the ys160 it 11lbs 4 oz with no gas in it. Here is what i think made a difference. I had to put 4oz of lead on the motor box to balance. I don't need that anymore so i took that off. Smaller tank 18.6oz vs 12oz. Extensions, I moved my rx so i was able to loose 3 extensions. When I weighed it with the ys i had a apc 19x8w and a spinner. Now no spinner and a wood prop. I did gain a ignition box and 1100mah 4 cell battery.

Even though I have less power now the plane seems smoother. With harrier flight before I had some wing rock which could be partly caused by the back and fourth hammering that the YS was doing at idle or just above. The brielli is much smooth down low and it seems to really lock into the harrier now. Anyway another great florida day and I was able to burn more fuel. Here is a few pics.
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Old 01-27-2007 | 04:44 PM
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It always seems to spoil things when the canopy goes away--Is it OK?

Thanks for the flight report. Sounds promising--like a good combo. Did you get a weight on the plane with the 40 on it? Can you tell much difference with the increased pound or so of weight?
Few more flights today and here are some specs.
weight with 6oz of fuel onboard 12lbs on the nose
thrust as measured with rapala digital fish scale 16lbs on the nose
RPM 7100 w/3w 19x8

I had to weight it 3 or 4 times and reset the scale each time to make sure it was right. If i recall from memory with the ys160 it 11lbs 4 oz with no gas in it. Here is what i think made a difference. I had to put 4oz of lead on the motor box to balance. I don't need that anymore so i took that off. Smaller tank 18.6oz vs 12oz. Extensions, I moved my rx so i was able to loose 3 extensions. When I weighed it with the ys i had a apc 19x8w and a spinner. Now no spinner and a wood prop. I did gain a ignition box and 1100mah 4 cell battery.

Even though I have less power now the plane seems smoother. With harrier flight before I had some wing rock which could be partly caused by the back and fourth hammering that the YS was doing at idle or just above. The brielli is much smooth down low and it seems to really lock into the harrier now. Anyway another great florida day and I was able to burn more fuel. Here is a few pics.
Al
Nice report and pictures! Any video on the way?
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lxcoupe - VERY nice pics, sounds like it is working pretty well. Looking at that other thread's video of the YS 1.60 --- HOLY COW --- that's pretty awesome stuff.

Are you using the AR 6100 on this Yak? Spektrum DX7 ? How many flights on the system?
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lxcoupe - VERY nice pics, sounds like it is working pretty well. Looking at that other thread's video of the YS 1.60 --- HOLY COW --- that's pretty awesome stuff.

Are you using the AR 6100 on this Yak? Spektrum DX7 ? How many flights on the system?
Thanks, yeah the 160 is truely 2:1 thrust to weight. I should have one forsale soon
I have close to 100 flights on the DX7 30 or so in a foamy and close to 70 in this plane (EF yak). I'm using the AR 7000. Only fault i have is the antenna wire on the main rx scares me. It seems like it is just a matter of time before they break.

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Nice report and pictures! Any video on the way?
I don't have a video cam, but my still digital cam has a video feature i think.

Al
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Even though I have less power now the plane seems smoother. With harrier flight before I had some wing rock which could be partly caused by the back and fourth hammering that the YS was doing at idle or just above. The brielli is much smooth down low and it seems to really lock into the harrier now.
Did you ever run the bigger 19" prop on the YS. Sometimes just a step up in prop Dia seems to help a lot for everything. I have a 60" FL330 and going from a 15 to 16 prop makes everthing better.





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Did you ever run the bigger 19" prop on the YS. Sometimes just a step up in prop Dia seems to help a lot for everything. I have a 60" FL330 and going from a 15 to 16 prop makes everthing better.

Yes I ran a apc 19x8w and the 3w 19x8. I settled on the 18x8msc because the spool up was slightly faster
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So lxcoup....

With all your testing (greatly appreciated since I have yet to make the final engine decision) which is your overall favorite choice the Brielli or the YS? Yours is the 40 not the 46 right? Thanks so much for the pics and info.

Mark
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So lxcoup....

With all your testing (greatly appreciated since I have yet to make the final engine decision) which is your overall favorite choice the Brielli or the YS? Yours is the 40 not the 46 right? Thanks so much for the pics and info.

Mark
The engine I have is the Brillelli 40GT. I'd have to say if you are a more experienced 3d pilot go with the brillelli. If you can afford it and need that extra punch out go with the YS. I am starting to favor the 40GT just because of price of operation. The 40 has +or- 5lbs less thrust then the YS (16lbs vs 21lbs), 16lbs is enough to get out of trouble with very good pull out. The YS is just an animal. If you decide to go YS I can make you a deal on everything you need. Engine (i bought the engine new for this plane)2 gallons thru it, hyde soft mount and NMP header and exhaust.

Goodluck
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Old 01-30-2007 | 03:18 PM
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So lxcoup....

With all your testing (greatly appreciated since I have yet to make the final engine decision) which is your overall favorite choice the Brielli or the YS? Yours is the 40 not the 46 right? Thanks so much for the pics and info.

Mark
The engine I have is the Brillelli 40GT. I'd have to say if you are a more experienced 3d pilot go with the brillelli. If you can afford it and need that extra punch out go with the YS. I am starting to favor the 40GT just because of price of operation. The 40 has +or- 5lbs less thrust then the YS (16lbs vs 21lbs), 16lbs is enough to get out of trouble with very good pull out. The YS is just an animal. If you decide to go YS I can make you a deal on everything you need. Engine (i bought the engine new for this plane)2 gallons thru it, hyde soft mount and NMP header and exhaust.

Goodluck
Al
Not sure about the 40GT, but all the #'s I have seen with the 46BL show that with the right prop you can expect a Solid 20LB's of thrust. I think the weight is 4oz more than the 40GT.




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me want one
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Got my PT Models carbon fiber 20x8 yesterday and flew it today. Nice looking prop, almost as light as the 3w wood 19x8 i had on the plane. I was getting 6800rpm and I didn't get a thrust measurement, but i would guess maybe picked up 1lb more. Not a big difference at all. In my up-lines the plane seems to continue to accelerate the whole time, versus a steady pull with the 19x8. The Brillelli is a little dirty, but it runs great and I'm really happy that I switched from the YS 160 to the 40GT
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i love my pt models prop on my 80, marry it if i could
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Got my PT Models carbon fiber 20x8 yesterday and flew it today. Nice looking prop, almost as light as the 3w wood 19x8 i had on the plane. I was getting 6800rpm and I didn't get a thrust measurement, but i would guess maybe picked up 1lb more. Not a big difference at all. In my up-lines the plane seems to continue to accelerate the whole time, versus a steady pull with the 19x8. The Brillelli is a little dirty, but it runs great and I'm really happy that I switched from the YS 160 to the 40GT
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Did you notice any difference in spool with the +1" larger dia?

It sounds like your B40 will get cleaner once it purges what it does not like? [&:]
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Spool up is slightly slower, but not too bad.

I got a big surprise today. I finally made it thru my first jug of break-in 32:1 lawnboy. I switched up to 50:1 amsoil and I lost all my power. No more pull out of hover. The engine just hates it. So I am going to mix up a gallon at 40:1 and try another gas station. It was a very dramatic difference in HP. I thought i would pick up a few hundred rpm. I did adjust the needles and it only got worse. Hopefully it is just bad gas or it is that sensitive to the oil mix.
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Spool up is slightly slower, but not too bad.
I got a big surprise today. I finally made it thru my first jug of break-in 32:1 lawnboy. I switched up to 50:1 amsoil and I lost all my power. No more pull out of hover. The engine just hates it. So I am going to mix up a gallon at 40:1 and try another gas station. It was a very dramatic difference in HP. I thought i would pick up a few hundred rpm. I did adjust the needles and it only got worse. Hopefully it is just bad gas or it is that sensitive to the oil mix.
Al
I am sure you have read up on all the latest oil debates?

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_5329429/tm.htm

Sounds like more oil = more power & protection & cleaning action.

Think I will go Pennzoil 32:1 to 40:1 -- might just do the Mobil synthetic at 32:1 then to 40:1 as Dick Hanson likes though. [&:]
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I have been looking into kill swtich options. This RC100 Electronic Switch looks pretty good for $25.00

http://rcatsystems.com/electronics/rc100.php

http://rcatsystems.com/pdf/RCATSElec...witchesFAQ.pdf
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I also have some 21x8NX props on the way for the B46.

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I have also decided to run Pennzoil air cooled--have enough for about 16 gals

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Lxcoupe, have you taken any thrust readings with the 20" prop?
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I have been looking into kill swtich options. This RC100 Electronic Switch looks pretty good for $25.00

http://rcatsystems.com/electronics/rc100.php

http://rcatsystems.com/pdf/RCATSElec...witchesFAQ.pdf
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I have also decided to run Pennzoil air cooled--have enough for about 16 gals

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Lxcoupe, have you taken any thrust readings with the 20" prop?
I read the pdf, but what does it do? Does it cut power from ignition whitch cuts engine off or does it move servo to 100% negative to cut engine?
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Im new to gas and ignition setup so this is what I understand so far,

You can have reciever ,batt. and plane servos on one switch, then ignition and batt. on another switch not tied to reciever.

But what if you have the switch for ignition in the retract gear of RX and two batts. combined with a switch that has 6v regulator (seen in one of my magazines) on the other end. Then would you be able to cut the power to ignition, which will cut motor?
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As far as the RCAT switch, you might want to reconsider if you are using a 6V ignition battery. I had one on my 33%er and while letting the motor warm up before the first flight of the day the switch died. Thankfully it decided to give-out while I was just warming up the engine versus just after liftoff or something. I called RCATS and asked if I had hooked it up wrong or something. The tech told me the switch is not made to run on 6V, though the information I got with my switch didn't say that anywhere, and that now-and-then people have problems when doing so. I know people who use them with 6V and have never had a problem, but I decided to go with the optical kill switch from SmartFly. So far, the SmartFly has worked fine.

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A clarification to my earlier post about the RCAT switch. Based on info provided by STG, it looks like the issue is with 6V RX batteries and not 6V ignition batteries as was my understanding.

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My father and I had a chance to weigh our birds in this weekend. We had 2 Rapala fish scales and 2.5, 5 and 10 pound standards to calibrate the scales. Scales read to 1oz resolution and proved to be within 1oz at 2.5, 5 and 7.5 pounds.

All up weight of both airframes bare minus motor mounts, fuel tank and wheel pants is only 6.5 pounds. OUTSTANDING!!!! To compare it to 2 other planes of this size range that I have done --F90 was 5.7 pounds and Giles UL was 6.3 pounds (no motor mounts, no fuel tank or wheel pants). The F90 is not scale and the Giles UL accomplishes its lightweight with a compromised landing gear design (and does not look scale to me).

It looks like we are on track to have our B46/Yak combos come in very close to 12 pounds with 10oz gas tanks giving us a true take off weight about 12.6 pounds!!!

This weight is based on no spinner or wheel pants and 6oz battery package.

This should be an outstanding Gas package!!!

It is hard to believe that the hobby has come to this point--where you can get a great looking fully capable scale plane that is adequately powered on economical gas & is this affordable and easy to transport!!!

It is a great time to be in this hobby!!!!!
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A clarification to my earlier post about the RCAT switch. Based on info provided by STG, it looks like the issue is with 6V RX batteries and not 6V ignition batteries as was my understanding.
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I have ordered the RC100 switch. RCAT will modify the switch for use with 5 cell receiver battery--you just have to specify when ordering.

My plan is to run this switch as my only ignition switch. I plan to wire it into a "Y" extension so I have place to recharge the ignition battery. I am open to change my mind on this. The switch defaults to open (or off) when there is no power or it fails. That means I should be able to shut down the motor in an emergency by turning off my receiver switch.


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My plan is to run this switch as my only ignition switch. ... That means I should be able to shut down the motor in an emergency by turning off my receiver switch.
As you can see in the following account, the option that you're choosing would not have worked for me.

My RCAT RC-100 kill switch saved me from flying around for hours trying to burn up a tank of gas with the engine running a little above idle.
While accelerating out a hover the engine just kind of went limp and I couldn't regain power. I struggled around at low speed to land but I discovered I also couldn't cut back to Idle (broken throttle lever). Thats when I had to struggle to gain altitude for another approach and kill the engine by shutting off the RCAT with a switch on my transmitter.
There have also been a couple of other occasions when the RCAT came in handy. One time the pipe came disconnected and I couldn't get the engine to run slow enough to land. Another time when taxiing to the pits after a hot run the engine couldn't be shut down by completely closing the carb.
As you can see gas hasn't been all that troubled free for me.

I have been running my RCAT on 6 volts but my regulator never allows it to see more that 6 volts as you might see with a freshly charged ni-cd on the first flight of the day.
RCAT makes a fiber optic system also but so far I'm satisfied with the little RC-100.
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My plan is to run this switch as my only ignition switch. ... That means I should be able to shut down the motor in an emergency by turning off my receiver switch.
As you can see in the following account, the option that you're choosing would not have worked for me.

My RCAT RC-100 kill switch saved me from flying around for hours trying to burn up a tank of gas with the engine running a little above idle.
While accelerating out a hover the engine just kind of went limp and I couldn't regain power. I struggled around at low speed to land but I discovered I also couldn't cut back to Idle (bropken throttle lever). Thats when I had to struggle to gain altitude for another approach and kill the engine by shutting off the RCAT with a switch on my transmitter.
There have also been a couple of other occasions when the RCAT came in handy. One time the pipe came disconnected and I couldn't get the engine to run slow enough to land. Another time when taxiing to the pits after a hot run the engine couldn't be shut down by completely closing the carb.
As you can see gas hasn't been all that troubled free for me.

I have been running my RCAT on 6 volts but my regulator never allows it to see more that 6 volts as you might see with a freshly charged ni-cd on the first flight of the day.
RCAT makes a fiber optic system also but so far I'm satisfied with the little RC-100.

Rocketman, the emergency switch (as my receiver switch) is only for manual off when you are touching the plane and don't have radio control. While the receiver has power(receiver switch on) the RC100 still has full on/off capability from radio control.



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