Those E-Sky motors are NO good for a 450. Motor shaft is too small and short, they don't have enough power. You want minimal of a 30a ESC and one of these with an 11T Rhino pinion:

https://www.ushobbysupply.com/produc...8500d5fc0edf5d

https://www.ushobbysupply.com/produc...8500d5fc0edf5d

You don't have to buy from USHS, I think X-Heli also carrys this stuff.

Yeah I want to get a diff motor for it but was gonna use the esky 3900 until then cause it worked in the belt cp good. I was looking at a turnigy plush 40a esc and havnt really researched motors yet just know 3500kv + will do.

I haven't had a moments problems with power in the 3200KV by HDX or the Danlions. A 30a is minimal I'd go. That ESky motor has a 2.3mm shaft, and you should really have full pinion contact to the main gear, it'll rip that main gear to shreads (basically eat the teeth right off the maingear). Thinkin you need 3500KV+....no, the 3200KV like the Danlion and HDX450 can take your head off...they have a LOT of torque and power, Just my .02 worth.

Your .02 is well respected and welcomed. So I will wait till I get back from kentuky this weekend and get a new motor and avoid a bad choice of hurry and get in the air. Where do you get a Danlion from? Hows the align 430xl?

Rick,
I've been seriously pondering this idea with the Bird of Time as the platform. The glider is perfect for smooth vibration free video. If the camera is mounted in the fuse where the pilot sits it would face forward but have to shoot through the smoked/tinted canopy of the glider, not good. Also the shot would be straight out not angle slightly down for the terrain. It wouldn't be possible to make a hole in the bottom front of the glider for the video to shoot through because of where the servo and receiver are. My other idea is making a flying box with wheels that would attach to the bottom of the front, hold the camera, and use for landing. I made a quick sketch to give you the idea of what I was thing. I would make it much more smooth than just square side for less drag.

Another idea would be vacuum forming a new canopy, clear, that would also be taller so the camera would sit up higher and be protected from the oils from the host plane.

Blessings,

Jay

Word has it the 430xl is trash (EXI-450 thread). You can get a Danlion and pinion from:

http://www.castlerockhobbies.com/product_p/dan35.htm

http://www.castlerockhobbies.com/pro...-fslash-g5.htm

Better to have a choice of pinions, you get 11/12/13 in steel, and they hold up. I have no beef with the Danlion motors either. I have a 3200kv, the link is for the 3500KV...either will serve well in the 450 catagory....good hunting!!!

Rick, I think you have a super idea brewing there! Jay has provided some great info too> How would the camera angle be if you just used the canopy area? Will the nose of the glider cut off the terrain or would it be more forward looking as Jay suggests? The landing gear/webbie holder might just be the ticket if you have the clearance from the tow plane. I'm contemplating one of these webbies myself. I'd like to try it on my B400 but think it would go great with my Decathlon. Vibration may be an issue with the G38 but I'll bet it could be minimized.

Speaking of the Decathlon, I got it flight ready but tomorrow is supposed to be a washout for me. Sunday is a better weather day but I'm thinking the bride and kids have plans for me on Fathers day. I'll get it airborne soon!

Jim

J MICHAEL + RADIO :
JWNUK
My approach is very much less involved. Having seen the WEBBIE, and the rotational lens : a very simple horizontal platform, attached to the fuse where the canopy position is; a thin bed of foam (no vibes!) and the camcorder attached ON TOP, out and up in the breeze. LENS rotated (maybe 45deg. down, no canopy , just plain
out in the air; should give me one un-impeded view of the world below, from t/off all the way to landing.
OIL from the exhaust is no factor at all : the Glider sits EXACTLY 7inches above the head of the engine whose exhaust is further pointed down and away from the nose of the glider where the WEBBIE rides. Air movement all by itself keeps the camera clean and safe flowing back and away down under. Also consider the neoprene exhaust extension which carries the oil further away. The only oil residue that appears is always on the right horizontal stab, mostly below.
Just now took some ESTIMATED angles ; the LENS sits about 6 inches above the ARC of the spinning propeller ( cut down by 1 inch with the 3 blades prop)
this in turn allows a clearview to the horizon with about 15degrees angled down from the horizontal line stretched from the camera to the infinite point.
I am thinking here, of the possible blur caused by shooting film through the prop. which in this case I believe will not happen at all.
Weight ( and weight and balance) should also not factor in ; MAYBE interfering with the smooth airflow around the nose could have some bad effect, but I think that 3 meters worth of wing, with a chord almost a foot wide, upturned double dihedral wingtips, and eliptical wing tips should be correcting for the almost negligible streamlining interference.
In any case, the whole package remains UnExplored still. Tests should begin soon as Isolve ONE last but serious problematic connection that involves the RELEASE of the glider itself.
there will be reports, which I hope will INTEREST y'all........( Maybe all this should be posted in a different thread, but y'all are almost FAMILY by now)
bye' RICK

JIM W thanks for your positive comment ... to me , this is one interesting project, and getting more so each day with something new added (WEBBIE!)</p>

Kyle ~


Like Crash suggested, stay away from the Align 430XL. Not worth it... For a dollar less you can just get a Scorpion ! Or the Danlion and beer money to spare... The Align motors run to warm, and there not even rebuildable. The XL is the one used stock in the Trex 450 SE V2.

Like Crash, I'am a big fan of the Rhino pinions. Most vendors I've seen carry them. The brass ones strip out in time, and after using the Rhino pinions I'll never look back. Its good to have a selection of 11/13/15 tooth ranges in my experiences.

My stock Trex 450 SA motor was the 430L and it was a 3550 kv motor, and it did great for sport flying, just couldn't take the demand of the more straining moves, as that's what you hear coming from the motor.... Strain... I call it the Align Whine since they squeel like a little skool gurl.... LMAO.... But I don't think you could ever kill the motor, it seems very durable in the abuse I tortured it through.

I then went to try a Common-Sense RC 3500 KV motor... They said 13t to 15t, for either mild or wild... Knowing me of course, I always just ran the 15t and used the Castle Creations 45 amp esc with it. With the Darkhorse calculator I was around 3749 rpms for my headspeed at 85% effeciency. I always ran in idle 2 100% T-curve across... Plently of power, but very short flight times of only 3 1/2 - 4 minutes. The components never did get very hot but ran a healthy warm feeling.


Here's an older video with that motor when I was first getting used to my turns... The motor would make the 450 scream if it wanted, and still offered plenty of torque throughout its range as I then started doing loops later on... At the 5:57 - 6:07 mark in the video I had it full collective, and it becomes kinda a blur in the video, but I had to see what it felt like back then flying in such a big area.


Watch in high quality though (You-Tube)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRelncP6cCs



A 12t with that Danlion 3500kv motor would probably be perfect for you I'am guessing. As you venture further, a more powerful motor pushing more than 19 amps may be prefered depending on the pilot. I think that Common-Sense motor pushed 40 amps I believe... Not sure on the watts. My Scorpion -6motor throws 52 amps and 525 watts. Everything runs more effecient with the set-up I have now than I did with the set-up I had in the video. Eaterofdog over at the EXI thread has the -8 Scorpion in his EXI and has loved it. I was always jealous, but now I feel better getting the -6 Scorpion.



~ Jeff

I'am amazed at the flight times I'am getting right now with this -6 Scorpion which is a 4400 kv motor. I have a 11t Rhino in it right now, and thinking of going 12t for less flight times, but more power, which would get it to around 3770 rpms, and really to much. This motor is quite powerful and insane. They compare it to running a 4-cell as far as power and torque, but less effecient than a 4-cell would be. 4 guys over at the Struggling thread have the -8 Scorpion and one having the -6 Scorpion. Just the other day, I had to ask what flight times they were getting because it seemed I was getting great flight times compared to running my 3500kv motor on a 15t @ 3749 rpms and only getting 3:30-4:00 of flight times. That was using the CC 45a esc also...

Now I have this 4400kv motor to try, and running a 11t Rhino at 85% effeciency, in idle 1 85% throttle curve across I could push 8 minutes ! Weird... This is using the CC 80 amp esc with a faster draining 35c 2200mah Common-Sense RC lipo, and around 845 grams flying weight. I was really expecting like 4 minute flights, but have been very pleased with this set-up. Everything is oddly hardly warm, and so it seems to be not struggling that's for sure. I can't wait to get to the dang field to try out ! My yard, is getting boring FAST....





Cheers,

~ Jeff

Rick ~


You better keep posting of your ideas and progress... Especially if its the Webbie.... I'am gonna be very interested in this also.....

+1

Rick...I couldn't find those brass "T" bushings, must'a threw them out or something...they wer off one of the F-16's.

Rick ~


Its really not even that big (3" by 7")... Closer to 2" by 4"... Fits perfect on the bill of my baseball cap. Tonight I also weighed it for the first time, as I thought like they listed it was 120 grams, but actually its only 114 grams with the battery, and the required memory card which I chose the 2 GB one. The only other thing you need from the package is one of those memory stick Duo Pro or something similiar and they ranged in sizes of capacity. 2 GB is plenty for what I'am using it for, and was only $29.99 at Wal-Mart.

For fun, I took a few pics of the Webbie in case it may help ya see the size next to a few things your familiar with that you have like the DX7 and the Trex 450...

I don't think I could use it on the 450, because of the components close by and interference... But I've been trying to do some research on the different materials used for shielding like steel, copper, aluminum and carbon fiber. Different materials work better for the frequency trying to be shielded.

Anyway, here's a couple pics before I go off and play in the hobby room. Make sure to watch plenty of Webbie vids to be satisfied...


~ Jeff

A couple more........

Thanks for all the input I will be thingin about this all weekend

THANKS A TRILLION for the very VERY valuable information.
I've been pushed over the edge and have decided that the WEBBIE is worth the try
and so I will send off for one. See the BOT? well : the WEBBIE chosen will be
ORANGE, so even there is a perfect match in the color....*incredible!
*going to get it from VANN's for $ 139.00 so that is OK as well.....
will not send off for it until the flights have been made and the PERFORMANCE
EXPECTED FROM THE GLIDER *** and the carrier/release systems***is confirmed.
There are way too many unknown/ variables in this project. Today Saturday I will
work hard on solving the last (release) problem.
RICK

ps.: thanks VIC for the try, I may have to solder some kind of extension brass tube
to those Ihave here......it's probably a JBWELD day today ...

Just to add to the long list of things that I've repaired with JB weld, My old pick-up's exhaust broke right at a flange last weekend. I mixed up a bunch of JB weld and got out some tie wire and wah la.... no new expense for exhaust.

You know Dave has the "Tip of the day". Maybe I could do a spin off, "Red Neck tip of the day"

Blessings,

Jay

Rick ~


Sounds good ! Some Webbie vids I see, the guys have that wave effect going on.... Whether electric or nitro. I know the Webbie doesn't like my DX7. If I get my hatcam near it with the Webbie attached, you can hear the interference in the video, but no visual disruptions, just audio. Even when I'am flying, and the Vapor comes close I'll hear the interaction again. I even adjusted the DX7 antenae (sp?) more down instead of arched up as it is when I fly the heli's. No biggie...

Here's a short cool clip of a Webbie on a rc jet ! Right down Jay and Vic's alley...



http://exposureroom.com/members/rena...a695eb388f856/



And here is a Webbie video of a Sig Sukhoi - Aerial Video DL 50 RC Plane. Know he gets the "Wave" as the guy with the B-400 does... And I did with the Logo 10. I still have to experiment with the Logo and other birds to solve the problem. I bet a glider is the best thing for any camera !


Watch in HD :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45V3zo66C0I


Don't forget also there is 2 versions of the Webbie as you'll see watching videos. One version is the conventional camcorder type of look :


http://www.askmen.com/entertainment/...webbie-hd.html

Jay ~


Didn't you also fix one of your Chatty Kathy Dolls with JB Weld also ?!

I'am thinking dirty thoughts with the Webbie.... Just need to add some strap action, and hope for no debris flying off the wheels. Lets see what interference I get with a 72mhz Futaba...

Jay....how you liking these flipp'in winds today[X(]....like a flipp'in gale force wind here today.

<span style="font-size: large">Tip Of The Day,

<span style="font-size: small">Jeff mentioned this earlier and I've used it before and it works great.

Use an old servo arm for a plastic nut. On the HK450 build, I took a servo arm / horn and enlarged the existing hole with a 1/64 inch drill bit. Then I super glued the servo arm to the back side of the tab of the servo. This holds it in place and makes installation a snap. See photos.

Dave</span>

</span></p>

Vic,
What's that old phrase you coined? " Even the birds are walking?"

Jeff,
JB weld will fix anything, eh? LMAO!
The first vid with the jet looked smooth, no vibrations. That Sukhoi vid shook my teeth out[X(]
I also think that the colors aren't too bad with the Weebie.

Blessings,

Jay<br type="_moz"/>

Saw a few birds lined up to trade their wing feathers for running shoes[X(]

That jet video did look very good, didn't it? The Sukohi one I couldn't finsih watching.
I'm betting that if I strapped one to my Decathlon it would turn out the same It's big enough that I could put about anything on it. Maybe I should look for someone whose got a HD palm corder and ask to borrow it??!! LMAO!!

Rick, have you ironed out the release yet?

Rain has ended here but there won't be any flying for me, too much to do.

Dave-great tip! I would have never thought of it.

Jim</p>