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Old 03-24-2007 | 08:18 PM
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Sounds Awesome Crash. I know I enjoy outdoors much more than in, but think I maybe a bit overconfident with the added space outdoors. And it sounds like a G90 HH Gyro might help with holding the tail better
Old 03-24-2007 | 08:18 PM
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crash,

I reversed the aileron...

now when throttle up, right rear servo goes up and the rest go down....

switched the aileron back to normal

Old 03-24-2007 | 08:38 PM
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OK...This is going to sound stupid but two of your servos are plugged into the wrong channel. Try switching the alieron and pitch servo channels with each other. I had the same problem setting up the DX6. Tell me what happens.


...I'm waiting here....
Old 03-24-2007 | 09:08 PM
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Staying out of wind comes to mind. Didn't have a moments trouble till I got a 2-5mph wind when I was up about 10ft...all he!! broke loose.
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Sounds Awesome Crash. I know I enjoy outdoors much more than in, but think I maybe a bit overconfident with the added space outdoors. And it sounds like a G90 HH Gyro might help with holding the tail better
Old 03-24-2007 | 09:39 PM
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Yeeehaw - finally some progress. Got the super skids installed and am finally doing genuine hovers in the living room. Not real pretty but controlled and I'm only setting her down 4 or 5 times per pack when my brain can't keep up. Got the proportional adjustment close - needs to go just a hair nose left now. I turned the gain way up and although the tail doesn't wag the whole thing seems twichy and sometimes changs pitch for just a second, all three servos at once. Not sure if the gain is too high or I have crash's interference problems. Sure is nice to get some actual flight time in though, thanks so much too all for the help.

Crash my first venture out into the wind last week was just as you say, things get weird really quick with the slightest movement of air. Day's that I thought were very calm before I now see as blustery.

Lookyj that main shaft will buff right out. Put it in vise, hit it with a hammer and put it all back together.

My transmitter power meter dropped a bar today, the thought of not being able to fly even the sim with it put the fear into me. I went out and bought 8 new rechargeables and the charger. Was $30 but at least they will be renewable.
Old 03-24-2007 | 09:48 PM
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Choppersrule Here:

Another Disaster:

Got my back-up CP all put together, flew great for 2 battery packs, 3 pack had a hard landing, nothing out of the ordinary hard landing.

Broken tail boom, two places, bent fly bar... I'm so mad, I could spit... I just spent an hour getting it all together and BLAM.

The CX2, like your's Lookyj, I only get 3 to 4 minutes of flight on it... That sucker, trust me, is going in the garbage, I don't want to invest anymore money in it.... Done it before....GARBAGE

I'm going to do the build on my project, brushless, gyro, dd tail. That's it. Any more disasters, I'm gonna "let it go" for awhile. Getting reallll frustrated.

Don't let my catastrophies get YOU down, just having a hard go right now....

Dave / Choppersrule

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Old 03-24-2007 | 09:50 PM
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Hey Wick, I found I need to keep the gain real low to keep the tail from twitching. I wondered about interference at first too but try turning your gain down and the tail should settle in. The manual says you can adjust the gain without having to reset the 4 in 1 but as a habit I always power down before changing any of the settings.
Old 03-24-2007 | 09:54 PM
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Wnuk,

To answer your question, Before, During or After.... YES.... All the above.. I'm an old Hungarian, and drink our BEER at room temperature. Notice, no Ice Box.

Dave / Choppersrule

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Dave/Choppers: I noticed that case of Old Milwaukees Best sitting under your work bench, is that used before, during, or after your repairs? Or maybe all of the above??!!
Old 03-24-2007 | 10:00 PM
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Dave...Had the same happen about two weeks ago...less the flybar. Remember I ordered 3 tail booms for like a buck and change each. The Esky's are exactly the same and don't cost $4 ea. Don't want to sound condensending but take the advice you given others (especially me with my problems and it helps), step back for a while...even the CX.Hang in there guy.
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Choppersrule Here:

Another Disaster:

Got my back-up CP all put together, flew great for 2 battery packs, 3 pack had a hard landing, nothing out of the ordinary hard landing.

Broken tail boom, two places, bent fly bar... I'm so mad, I could spit... I just spent an hour getting it all together and BLAM.

The CX2, like your's Lookyj, I only get 3 to 4 minutes of flight on it... That sucker, trust me, is going in the garbage, I don't want to invest anymore money in it.... Done it before....GARBAGE

I'm going to do the build on my project, brushless, gyro, dd tail. That's it. Any more disasters, I'm gonna "let it go" for awhile. Getting reallll frustrated.

Don't let my catastrophies get YOU down, just having a hard go right now....

Dave / Choppersrule

Old 03-24-2007 | 10:13 PM
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Crashcrash,

Your right, I'm just so flipping mad now... I try so hard and everything turned to *****. You know, I have a military background, I'll get over it I'm sure. USAF "Can DO". Did it before, just soooo, frustrating at times.

Thanks for the Boost,

Dave / Choppersrule

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Dave...Had the same happen about two weeks ago...less the flybar. Remember I ordered 3 tail booms for like a buck and change each. The Esky's are exactly the same and don't cost $4 ea. Don't want to sound condensending but take the advice you given others (especially me with my problems and it helps), step back for a while...even the CX.Hang in there guy.
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Choppersrule Here:

Another Disaster:

Got my back-up CP all put together, flew great for 2 battery packs, 3 pack had a hard landing, nothing out of the ordinary hard landing.

Broken tail boom, two places, bent fly bar... I'm so mad, I could spit... I just spent an hour getting it all together and BLAM.

The CX2, like your's Lookyj, I only get 3 to 4 minutes of flight on it... That sucker, trust me, is going in the garbage, I don't want to invest anymore money in it.... Done it before....GARBAGE

I'm going to do the build on my project, brushless, gyro, dd tail. That's it. Any more disasters, I'm gonna "let it go" for awhile. Getting reallll frustrated.

Don't let my catastrophies get YOU down, just having a hard go right now....

Dave / Choppersrule

Old 03-24-2007 | 10:26 PM
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Hey...just scroll through my history....you'll feel better.
Trust me...I know how pi$$ed you can get doing this "hobby".
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Crashcrash,

Your right, I'm just so flipping mad now... I try so hard and everything turned to *****. You know, I have a military background, I'll get over it I'm sure. USAF "Can DO". Did it before, just soooo, frustrating at times.

Thanks for the Boost,

Dave / Choppersrule

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Dave...Had the same happen about two weeks ago...less the flybar. Remember I ordered 3 tail booms for like a buck and change each. The Esky's are exactly the same and don't cost $4 ea. Don't want to sound condensending but take the advice you given others (especially me with my problems and it helps), step back for a while...even the CX.Hang in there guy.
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Choppersrule Here:

Another Disaster:

Got my back-up CP all put together, flew great for 2 battery packs, 3 pack had a hard landing, nothing out of the ordinary hard landing.

Broken tail boom, two places, bent fly bar... I'm so mad, I could spit... I just spent an hour getting it all together and BLAM.

The CX2, like your's Lookyj, I only get 3 to 4 minutes of flight on it... That sucker, trust me, is going in the garbage, I don't want to invest anymore money in it.... Done it before....GARBAGE

I'm going to do the build on my project, brushless, gyro, dd tail. That's it. Any more disasters, I'm gonna "let it go" for awhile. Getting reallll frustrated.

Don't let my catastrophies get YOU down, just having a hard go right now....

Dave / Choppersrule

Old 03-24-2007 | 10:40 PM
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Disregard, Crash already pointed this out...


Lookyj,
You still have your elev and pitch servos reversed. The back servo that is on the other side of the boom from your tail rotor blade should be plugged into the Aileron Channel on the receiver. The servo on the same side as the tail rotor blade is the pitch. Swapping these will fix your problems.
Old 03-24-2007 | 10:47 PM
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I don't even know how mine got switched when I was installing the DX6 but I ran onto that exact problem. I don't figure installation should be that much difference between 6/7. I hope the boy gets it...been driving him nuts.
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Disregard, Crash already pointed this out...


Lookyj,
You still have your elev and pitch servos reversed. The back servo that is on the other side of the boom from your tail rotor blade should be plugged into the Aileron Channel on the receiver. The servo on the same side as the tail rotor blade is the pitch. Swapping these will fix your problems.
Old 03-24-2007 | 10:56 PM
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dave,

I too am doing a ground up rebuild on a new bird....

here's the first pics...


also, if you don't want your CX2... I'll gladly purchase and give a good home! The coaxial helis keep me sane during these build projects!


wick,

the main shaft wasn't really that bad, but it was beyond repair.... so I gave it a nice 90* bend for pic!

however, I was unable to remove the mH main shaft from mH CNC center hub! Now there's a half inch piece of shaft that broke off in the hub.... DO'H
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Old 03-24-2007 | 11:10 PM
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Lookyj...did you check the servos and reverse the channels (pitch and aileron)?
Old 03-24-2007 | 11:18 PM
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crash,

yes, thanks!

I just hovered through a pack with the AR6100 and DX7... damn MURPHY!

I think my tail motor is going....

Here's how I connected the servo wires to the AR6100,

*note after the costly "learning curve" with the programming and my Blinged Blade....

I've gone back to the basics:

This set up is for a stock Blade CP Pro 3in1 with AR6100 (RX), and DX7 (TX)!
No Gyro's or Brushless ESC's!

Connect the servo wires to receiver AR6100 as follows:

AUX1 - Right Rear Servo*
GEAR - <empty>
RUDD - Rudder
ELEV - Front Servo*
AILE - Left Rear Servo*
THRO - Throttle

*Left and Right Rear servos are based on the orientation of the helicopter placed in front of you with the nose pointing forward (away from you), and the tail facing back (towards you).

switch settings in DX7

[REVERSING SW]
ch 1 THRO = NORM
ch 2 AILE = REV
ch3 ELEV = REV
ch4 RUDD = REV
ch5 GEAR = NORM
ch6 PIT = NORM
ch7 AUX2 = NORM

outtamyway,

I love to know some of your curve programming for the DX7!
Old 03-24-2007 | 11:22 PM
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Hey...happened to me the same way...yer welcome. Glad it worked out and you guys slow down on the blinging, it's dragging you down.
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crash,

yes, thanks!

I just hovered through a pack with the AR6100 and DX7... damn MURPHY!

I think my tail motor is going....

Here's how I connected the servo wires to the AR6100,

*note after the costly "learning curve" with the programming and my Blinged Blade....

I've gone back to the basics:

This set up is for a stock Blade CP Pro 3in1 with AR6100 (RX), and DX7 (TX)!
No Gyro's or Brushless ESC's!

Connect the servo wires to receiver AR6100 as follows:

AUX1 - Right Rear Servo*
GEAR - <empty>
RUDD - Rudder
ELEV - Front Servo*
AILE - Left Rear Servo*
THRO - Throttle

*Left and Right Rear servos are based on the orientation of the helicopter placed in front of you with the nose pointing forward (away from you), and the tail facing back (towards you).

switch settings in DX7

[REVERSING SW]
ch 1 THRO = NORM
ch 2 AILE = REV
ch3 ELEV = REV
ch4 RUDD = REV
ch5 GEAR = NORM
ch6 PIT = NORM
ch7 AUX2 = NORM

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ORIGINAL: lookyj

outtamyway,

I love to know some of your curve programming for the DX7!
We would have to extrapolate the extra curve points because I am using a DX6. I am using a 4100kv brushless with a 10t pinion...

PLN 48, P2N 75, PHN 100
PLS 0, P2S 50, PHS 100

TLN 0, T2N 75, THN 100
TLS 100, T2S, 75 ( These could be reversed. I get confused...)

I don't know what my exact head speed is, but it is "up there" in the danger zone I'm sure.

I'm glad you got it figured out! Your next setup should be a breeze.
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Do these settings configure idle-up?
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outtamyway,

I love to know some of your curve programming for the DX7!
We would have to extrapolate the extra curve points because I am using a DX6. I am using a 4100kv brushless with a 10t pinion...

PLN 48, P2N 75, PHN 100
PLS 0, P2S 50, PHS 100

TLN 0, T2N 75, THN 100
TLS 100, T2S, 75 ( These could be reversed. I get confused...)

I don't know what my exact head speed is, but it is "up there" in the danger zone I'm sure.

I'm glad you got it figured out! Your next setup should be a breeze.
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outtamyway and crash,

I'm starting to think the DX6 and DX7 menus are completely different. Everytime I read about settings for the DX6 and Blade and go to program my DX7.... there's always something that doesn't translate or make much sense...


I just got through hovering my BCP Pro with DX7!

the throttle is very touchy!!!! video coming soon....


here's a vid, of hovering my Blade CP with stock TX

http://www.rcuvideos.com/view_video....9c9ccabc67fefa

and for anyone interested... I have detailed the steps and settings, I'm currently using for a Blade CP Pro with AR6100 and DX7...

Blade CP Pro with AR6100, and DX7

Step 1)
Connect the servo wires to receiver AR6100 as follows:

AUX1 - Right Rear Servo*
GEAR - <empty>
RUDD - Rudder
ELEV - Front Servo*
AILE - Left Rear Servo*
THRO - Throttle

*Left and Right Rear servos are based on the orientation of the helicopter placed in front of you with the nose pointing forward (away from you), and the tail facing back (towards you).

Step 2)
Create model in DX7:

While powering up DX7 hold down Scroll and Select buttons to enter “Model Select Modeâ€

Set initial settings for model in DX7…

[SWASH TYPE]
3 SERVOS, 120*

[INPUT SELECT]
AUX2 = INH
GEAR = INH

[THRO RECOVERY]
INH

[TRAINER]
INH

[TYPE SELECT]
HELI

[MODEL NAME]
enter a name for your model like BCP Pro

power down DX7.

Step 3)
Bind AR6100 to DX7

Plug bind plug into BATT connection on AR6100

Power up DX7 make sure correct model is selected, power back down DX7.

Remove motor connections from BCPP 3in1

Power up RX by plugging battery into JST connector

AR6100 should have a fast blinking amber light

Now power up DX7 while holding bind button on back of transmitter.

The AR6100 should go through it’s bind process,

Everything is ready when AR6100 is solid amber light and 3in1 is solid green light.

Powerdown AR6100 by unplugging battery

Turn off DX7.

Step 4)
REMOVE BIND PLUG FROM BATT CONNECTION ON AR6100!!!

Step 5)
Program DX7

Turn on the DX7 and enter programming mode for the current model by pressing SCROLL and SELECT buttons

[REVERSING SW]
ch 1 THRO = NORM
ch 2 AILE = REV
ch3 ELEV = REV
ch4 RUDD = REV
ch5 GEAR = NORM
ch6 PIT = NORM
ch7 AUX2 = NORM

[AUTO D/R EXP]
NORM = INH
ST-1 = INH
ST-2 = INH
HOLD = INH

[D/R & EXP]
POS-0
AILE
EXP = LIN
D/R = 100%

RUDD
EXP = LIN
D/R = 100%

ELEV
EXP = LIN
D/R = 100%

[TIMER]
INH

[PROG.MIX3]
INH

[PROG.MIX2]
INH

[PROG.MIX1]
INH

[REVO MIX]
NORM STNT
UP 0% UP 0%
DN 0% DN 0%

[PITCH CURVE]
HOLD
Point-L = 0%
Point-1 = INH
Point-2 = 50.0%
Point-3 = INH
Point-H = 100.0%
EXP = OFF

ST-2
Point-L = 0%
Point-1 = INH
Point-2 = 50.0%
Point-3 = INH
Point-H = 100.0%
EXP = OFF

ST-1
Point-L = 0%
Point-1 = INH
Point-2 = 50.0%
Point-3 = INH
Point-H = 100.0%
EXP = OFF

NORM
Point-L = 48.0%
Point-1 = INH
Point-2 = 50.0%
Point-3 = INH
Point-H = 100.0%
EXP = OFF

[THRO CURVE]
ST-2
Point-L = 0%
Point-1 = INH
Point-2 = 50.0%
Point-3 = INH
Point-H = 100.0%
EXP = OFF

ST-1
Point-L = 100%
Point-1 = INH
Point-2 = 55.0%
Point-3 = INH
Point-H = 100.0%
EXP = OFF

NORM
Point-L = 0%
Point-1 = INH
Point-2 = 50.0%
Point-3 = INH
Point-H = 100.0%
EXP = OFF

[THRO HOLD]
HOLD POS. 0.0%
SW: RUDD D/R

[SWASH MIX]
3 SERVOS
AILE + 60%
120* ELEV + 60%
PIT. + 35%
EXP INH

[TRAVEL ADJUST]
THRO AILE
H 150% L 100%
L 100% R 100%

ELEV RUDD
D 100% L 125%
U 100% R 125%

GEAR PIT.
+ 100% H 150%
- 100% L 150%

AUX2
+ 100%
- 100%

[SUB TRIM]
*varies from model to model… use these to level your servo arms, a large number in either direction may best be leveled from servo link push rod.

Step 6)

Power up Heli and check for correct control of the servos,

see pages 16-18 in the manual.

“Position the helicopter to view it from the left or right side. Move the left-hand stick up and down to check the collective pitch control. When the stick is pushed up, the swashplate should lower, increasing the pitch of the main blades.

With the stick pulled back down, the swashplate should raise, decreasing the pitch of the main blades.

Again viewing the helicopter from the left or right side, move the right-hand stick forward and aft to check elevator pitch control. When the stick is pushed forward, the swashplate should also tilt forward. With the stick pulled back, the swashplate will tilt toward the rear.

While viewing the helicopter from the rear (tail boom toward you), move the right-hand stick left and right to check aileron roll control. When the stick is pushed to the left, the swashplate should also tilt left. With the stick pushed right, the swashplate will tilt to the right.â€

Step 7)

Plug in main and rotor motors, power back up and FLY!
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Hi Crash,
Yep, idle up works well with those settings.

Lookyj,
For your normal pitch curve try

point l = 48
1 = 62
2 = 75
3= 87
h= 100

The way you have it right now with l= 48 and 2= 50 means that your whole pitch curve takes place after point 2. That would make it seem like the throttle/pitch is a little touchy. like this.
Old 03-25-2007 | 10:12 AM
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Default RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!

Thanks. I understand what they mean. The settings I'm using from CPProman are basic....they get you flying, and they did. The reason idle-up was not included was so that NOOBS like me wouldn't hit the mode switch by accident and have a huge accident. Well, my stock TX had it but I was smart enough to leave it alone and that part hasen't changed. I'll have a lotof work to do to program the mode switch but for now...I think I'll just fly it.
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Will the center hub set and rotor blades from the Esky Honey Bee cp work on my cp? I know many parts are the same but some look a little different, not sure which are compatible.

[link]http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=V019752[/link]

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Wick246,

The blades will probably work, they are symetrical, the difference in the main rotor diameter is only 3mm. The Honey bee is 530mm and the CP is 527mm.

The center hub won't work, I magnified the picture and there is a difference, the top of the hub is squared off on the Honey Bee, also, in the picture there is an extra part, look just below the two O-rings.



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Will the center hub set and rotor blades from the Esky Honey Bee cp work on my cp? I know many parts are the same but some look a little different, not sure which are compatible.

[link]http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=V019752[/link]

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Thanks Chopper! I need to slow down the spending until the next check but I will give those blades a shot just to see if they work. There are also 2*6*3 bearings on clearance for a dollar under the E sky 5005 menu on the left. Different part number but correct size. Worth a dollar for me to order some and see if they are the same.


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