What kind of flight times are yall getting on a battery? I have the stock Lipo 800 mah and a TH 900. On the stock pack I'm getting about 9 min, and on the TH about 12 min. My heli is stock except for the DD tail. I'm doing mostly hovering, but some flying around.

I'm seeing 11 minutes on a stock 800 maH battery. Mostly hovering, some forward flight and a few pirouttes.

Wnuk,

Your correct on that, it's not cost effective..My suggestion would be to keep your CP the way it is for now, and keep having fun with it.
Save your Change(money) for the Pro,, soo many more options.. Just don't get in a hurry and take your time..

I've mentioned this before, the Blade Series, is the best 300 size heli going.. The Honey Bee and Walkera are something you want to avoid... Been there... Done that..

Dave / Choppersrule

Hi Dave...and all these NEW GUYS...WOW! I can't keep up with it all. I'm going to do the DD based on the "never had a moments problems" after he did it!!! Thanks guy! I put mine up...very little to NO wind tonight. Man, I had forward flight HOWLING!!!! Then out of no place as I was in a pattern comming to my left...a tree jumped right out in front of my heli! I killed the throttle on impact and it was about 25ft up (they always land in the top of the trees). Well...the ole extension ladder and the Ford 861 farm tractor to the rescue again. Damage...canopy was destroyed, the spindle was bent, broke off a piece of the horizontal stab of the superskids, and I had to re-glue the tail boom...that's it!!! I had all the parts and it's already hovered here in the 7ft hole. Here's a bit of advice...FLYING it is NOT HOVERING it...it's two different animals. When you're moving forward at a high rate of speed... it acts more like an airplane than a helicopter except you gotta keep on the tail too. Wow...what a night. I figure I'll finish trashing this airframe and do the $89 airframe replacement thing. I pretty much had it in my head that I would FLY this thing tonight...NOT HOVER.[:@]

Choppers! Good to see you back! I'm glad you reconsidered, we all like you in the group here =)

Wow, thanks for that link! How are the parts you get from these guys?


I have a ? too at low rpms my tail is very smooth(1/2 stick or less), and the same at high rpms (full throttle plus a little right rudder), but right where it starts to hover till full throttle, the tail just vibrates. Any idea's on why that is?

The front end of the heli is very smooth, but the back end keeps giving the rest of the heli the shimey's

Lear440kts,

Your in the ball-park with flight times on the 800 and 900 mAh batteries.. A 1200 mAh will give your about 20 minutes flight time..
Tuff decision,,, More batteris is the way to go... After 10 minutes or so, I need a Brain Break anyway... There's nothing wrong with your setup..

Dave / Choppersrule
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oh yeah, btw I am getting 12 min on the stock pack with super-skids both 8 and 9t pinions flat jcs's and the stock tail and training skids. Was gona put that in the other post but forgot. My all up weight is somewhere around 350g

Mrasmm,

Thanks soo much for the Welcome Back...

Hmmm, My tail does the same thing, I never really considered doing any thing with it... Cuz the heli seems to fly okay.. However, I read a post awhile back that the tail rotor blade can be out of balance... Hmm, if you don't feel that the heli is doing something out of the ordinary, just go with it.. Or check the balance of the tail rotor blade.. Also, take in to consideration the flexing of the tail boom itself under power. Get's complicated, doesn't it......

Dave / Choppersrule
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Tail question. At the beginning of a flight, when everything is cool, I have to have the tail trim set at around -25 to hold straight, by the end of the flight the tail trim is around +25 to hold straight, with hands off. Is this normal?

Crashcrash,

I know you understand... Thanks!

Lot's of new guys, that's a good thing. More help, questions, etc. Welcome aboard "NEW GUYS", we are all here to help each other.

Crashcrash,
Holy Molly,, another crash and some CA... Sloww down, it'll save ya a lot of time and $$$$.

After my three rebuilds, I decided to take it down a notch... Have'nt had a mishap in about.. 3 weeks or so.

To All:

Crashcrash and I, always say, SetUp is the key, take the time and effort to do so.

Dave / Choppersrule
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Absolutely...NORMAL.

Lear440kts,

That seems about right, drifting of the tail.. from fully charged battery to the discharged side.. You have to take into consideration, that the Blade Series helis aren't perfect for the money.. It's just something we all deal with and have to adjust to.. Bummer, Yes, even the higher end helis can do this too.

Dave / Choppersrule
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lol, yes it does. This happened with my other tail setup, and it was one of the bearings was too dry. I oiled it up and it worked great =) I tried that with this one, and so far no luck. I guess I'll just fiddle with it. It really makes it a handful to fly right now =P

I dunno...I just had it come over me I wanna see what these things will do. It's AWSOME!!! The only reason I hit the tree was just in the turn...the wind grabbed the little fella and threw it into the tree sideways. I was already maxed on throttle and the EXP was 100%. I tried to pull it out, but I lost to the wind. I was on my second lap of a standard oval pattern just putting the coals to it in a banked turn.

I do got an annoying little problem going on besides the tail (changing the motor tonight). I've adjusted everything again and again...rock solid hover is NOT happening for me. She wants to drift fore/aft/and side to side. I know it's either the main motor or the rotorhead has too many miles on it. At an estimated $60 to replace the whole head part by part, I'll buy a new airframe first. I've got an extra swash and head laying around...I might try that first.

As far as the other...forget it, lets keep going here. I wanna see if anyone else here is going to grow a set and "put 'er up" and see what she will do (LOL). I did notice that mine wants to start to ride nose high so I've really got to give it down elevator...but it's fine in a hover. That's what I mean when I say there's a BIG difference in fast forward flight and hover. Once things get stable and you're banking a turn...gotta keep an eye on the tail and fly that too. If the wind is permitting...you better believe I'm gonna fly this pig. I bought it to fly, not hover in the basement. I've got access to 3-1/2 acers out back where I fly the L-2. I got some trees lining the sides but it's 50-70yds across and nearly 200yds long. Not too much to hit.

Mrsamm,

Your Quote,

"I guess I'll just fiddle with it. It really makes it a handful to fly right now =P "

Fiddling with the Blades is a lot of fun. I love it.. (What's wrong now?)


Hey Guys,

I should have all the stuff for a DDrive system in a couple days.... I'll post a bunch of pictures for ya... And a bunch of other tips.
DD seems like everyone is interested in now.... I think it may be the way to go....

I posted awhile back about dual motor drive tail system. I'm (my opinion) not leaning to a dual-motor, reason, if one motor starts to get fatigued or looses ummmmp. It put's more stress on the other motor... Crashes are inevidiable, with any system..

Dave / Choppersrule

Just got my answer on the drift thing...main motor just took a dump so I'm done for a few days till I get new ones in. Not like I can run down to the LHS and they'd have them.[:'(]

Break out the L-2 and fly it till it dumps!!!

Just ordered a new main motor and the GWS DD outfit from boyztoyz. Price on ship is $2...you can't beat that with a stick. My heli flying is done for a couple days...Grrrrrrrrrrr!

WB Dave............ ya know we all love ya and really respect your knowledge and most of all your willingness to help anyone and everyone. Understandable that people get "cranky" at times and we have all been there, no hard feelings ever and never will be...........just glad to have you back!
lear440..........ty for the link............ I only spent 50 bucks at that site, and had to stop. I got up to 130 in parts and cancelled alot. the DD tail was my main need, and spare tail rotors (orange) and some TREX spindles, shafts and tail booms, I am starting the TREX loaded for bear!

The Blade CP has been hovering beautifully all week, just finished off a battery in the living room tonite. there is so much difference dealing with furniture and rotor wash off the walls and stuff............. The stock tail is still running strong and i still have 4 in the box, one broke in and 3 still in the packages. Three main motors left to go thru also and then will try one of those fancy brushed motors I have seen on I think www.slickzero.com or www.miraclemart.com Overall, the since installing the CNC head and switching to the futaba TX, my CP has become a flyable and predictable machine.....and no longer a effort in willpower to control.
crash, got the havoc sorta dialed in tonite too, added weight up front and is almost to the forward flight stage, I am still fighting it a little but seem to have gotten it more dialed in, Thanks goes to mrasmm for the links to the picco site and mods that are available!

As always my friends.............. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.................. Blade CP!!!


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Of all the things I ever lost.............................................. .... I miss my mind the most!

Well,
Stayed up obscenely late installing my GWS DD unit....worst part was the debonding of the old stuff. Installation was a breeze.....burn't ma durn funger with that durn iron....such is the price we each must pay.
Does it fly.....?
By the light of car headlights, at 01:30 she attained flighthood once more....lot quieter now the motor ain't screaming it's tiny guts out.
Slightly smaller propeller diameter than standard I think. Heading lock is right on the money.
Just goes to show that setup is everything.....
When I opened my first heli, a cx-2, I took a long look at it. Yeah, they say that each one is test flown...don't know how mine got through. Lucky, I guess....just too durn inquisitive. Anyway, I set it up properly before I put volts to her and when she did become airborne the controlability was as it should be.
All that to say that the better the setup, the better the flying.
Even a stock Pro, properly set up, is a great flyer....mine was a little quirky for me 'til I added flybar weights but I rebuilt mine right out of the box just to get as good a setup as I could and installed a heading lock gyro.

She has no nasty habits and straight liftoff has not been a problem.....
Now she has Superskids, DD tail, CNC swashplate and two cnc heads in the jig (Micro heli and GWS). I would install the new drive gear with auto rotate but I've had such good luck with this machine that the only things I've busted is blades. She's waiting to bite me now I've said that....!

I went by the book and did the short hops getting longer thing slowly getting a feel for her....she is pretty neutral and doesn't like to be over driven.
She likes to go...this one is a great forward flyer. I ride a 900cc Triumph Trident but this little bugger can take you on a ride to take your breath away.

Back to the head links this weekend...:.....the mH links need easing a little....still too stiff and the GWS links have to be built.
Tried to get in touch with GWS as far as recommended lengths for links....no luck at all.
The dealers are great but technical support is a joke.

Think I gonna have to buy another airframe as a setup jig.......

Are helis considered community property.....??

LOL...screaming it's little guts out. That about sums up the N30 motor. Did you notice any balance issues with the CN12? After all...it's two motors in one. Remember when soldering...the HOT end goes on the work. I've got the micro-heli autorotation hub, shaft, and stainless spindle on the way. Pretty moot if gets here today...no main motor (smoked it last night). Looks like a good day for flying the ParkZone though so I will still fly something. Last night I ordered the new main motor and I ordered the GWS DD system. Gotta try something. I got a nasty feeling that I'll be installing a CNC swash and complete head before it's all said and done. Really thinking about brushless with G90 gryo too. For me...stability is first and foremost. Hands off 3ft hover is a MUST. I hate suprises. I hate to bling but the stock setup is just not lasting (motors, etc).

Hey Choppers,

I got that HS55 mod done. What a messterpiece that was. Those are some tiny wires in there... not much room to solder, etc. Seems to have worked out okay, all the servos are working, and rotating in the right direction now. I did notice that two of the 3 servos were identical inside, and the third one had an extra brown wire to the motor casing. I purchased all at the same time, and all three look identical on the outside. Weird. At any rate, having completed that cleaned up a bunch of stuff off my work bench.

Yesterday was a pretty good day, not only did I get to those HS55s at last, but I also received a bunch of blade parts that I had ordered. I did the bell hiller upgrade on one of my CPs last night. Looks good. Seems to have a lot less slop now. The wind was up again so I didn't get a chance to fly it, but I hope the wind stays down today and I'll get a chance after I get out of prison, er I mean work.

You'll LOVE the Bell Hiller upgrade, It was the best one I've done so far to my CP. That and LiPo's are a must have.

Yes, the power train has to be robust but I look at it from the point where I'm very cautious...not really go for broke,,,so by the time I get her in her rightful habitat I don't expect any nasty surprises and if my concentration does flicker it's blades and flybar if'n you do it near right. Lotta simulator time too.
The first thing to give trubble was the swashplate...there was too much clearance so I got the mH head complete and installed just the swash. With the extra balance weights out there at the flybar paddles mechanical flying quality improved greatly....the little bit of "fairly new" slop remaining is tolerable and I'm still on the original driveshaft and gear.....so I've been lucky.
The DD tail seemed the logical next move so here I am.
Question:
The GWS head.....in the last couple of months I've seen mention of another installation....I have their V2 and it's supposed to be a "direct replacement" for the Pro system...somewhere, there is mention of some slight rearrangement from standard required in the B-H system. I've looked at mine and it would seem to be a direct repl. with no apparent mods needed......OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING...?
I'm going to keep it in its jig and attempt the linkages and all and see if what input goes in gives the right output.
Gotta figure out what that washout system does....never worked on one before.....
Any good close photos of the install.

Ok, just ordered my DD tail from ezboys. Also ordered an extra tail fin and rotor to have in stock. $20.44 total with shipping. Can't beat that!

Ordered mine last night...shipped today. I don't seem to have trouble with tail rotors...I've never broken one, ([:@]shouldn't have said that). Yeah...the standard package is cheap and only $2.00 ship.

I never broke one either, but it would be just my luck. Wanting to fly on a windless day and not having the parts to do so would kill me[&:]