The one I seen is from Scott Helmann, Northern Lights Electronics it looks to be the same idea a little more expensive. I'll let you know on the lube. I'll pay more attention to how long each one lasts and how well they work but I haven't noticed any attracting dirt. I tend to over lube puttting some oil on as many areas I can with the canopy off after every few flights or everywhere when rebuilding my heli after a crash whichever comes first. Rick

yeah... the link to the one on tower is not the one I got. I bought the one from scott, and that's the one that is installed in the pic of my heli =)

I'm not familiar with Northern Lights Electronics, but the one from scott cost like 20 bucks or something with shipping.

Autorotation hub and stainless shaft by Micro Heli...bling?

Took the heli out last night very low wind. As I was hovering, a gust grabbed it and it was promptly on it's way tword some trees 50yds away. I couldn't use the flight controls to change the direction because the gust was too much and the heli was about 25ft up. I lowered the throttle and it started comming down but it was still headed for the trees and I didn't want to hit a tree. I chopped the throttle and glided it to the ground like a plane...using the autorotation. The heli landed on it's superskids (pretty hard) and rolled on it's side. Total damage...it took out the DD gearbox and that's it! NOTHING was bent, nothing else was broke. The autorotation did it's job superbly because the heli didn't fall out of the sky like a stone, it landed.

I would say in an emergency, the autorotation is not a bling, it's an insurance policy that works.

Sorry to jump in out of nowhere but on the DD. I dont understand why people are having so much trouble with it. I ordered the parts linked from bladecprepair.com and installed the setup in tractor formation. The only thing I did different was use a gws motor mount which was far more stout than the one list on bladecprepair.com and installed a rubber like tail fin separately. I have flown mine for at least 10 hours and its still working great. I also notice very very little drop in flight times and the heatsink is only very warm after flight not ever hot. Maybe I am just lucky but my gut tells me that I am not that lucky. I am not with anything else.

I decided to take one more stab at it. Using the CP-Pro stock gearbox inverted and tail skid removed I put the CN-12RCX/EP-0320 back on. It seems to be running good (not hot). Since my N30 died and I don't have a replacement, thought I'd try again. It's working and I'm flying...that's what counts. I still got 2 N30's on order because I can use either now. Flight time with the NC-12 seems OK...I'll watch it for a while and see where it goes.

I'm back all stock on the tail. Tried a little bit, (and I mean a LITTLE BIT), of silicone grease on the rear gear and motor pinion interface. Sure is quiet now ! ! Glitches are gone now too. My copter didn't like that DD tail motor !

I still have yet to put my DD on............. Still waiting for the 3020's to come in at the LHS....... should be in by this friday. Until then, went back to flat woodies on the CNC head, I can't seem to get the syms I have to even out. I have a wobble on spoolup and down, but everyting is balanced as far as i can tell........... I am kinda wondering what is out of balance, all I can figure is its in the head itself. Will pull the flybar paddles, weights and blade grips tonite and see if I still have it. If not, will add one at a time until it returns.....then zero in and KILL the wobbles.........heh


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My DD is running great (knock on wood). Hit a rocking chair and had to re-build the head, straighten that NEW stainless spindle, the main shaft is still true. I'm glad I re-built the head...I gained stability. I knew stuff was getting worn out up there. Gonna go fly the Cub here in a few minutes. The wind is low, but it's there.

Dear BAND OF BROTHERS

I have not been doing much BLADE stuff, but keeping up with flying a bit. My daughter captured some moments of HELIFOLLY, I think they are funny !

I will NOT park the TREX on my nose when I have it. (could wind up with some scars on the ugly face !........The baby heli should be ok, ( right ? ) HA !........[:'(]


Have kept up with the thread every day, even at work in the coffee breaks.
Today I was planning to say goodbye until the 22nd of May. On Thursday we leave for Italy, so my Mother gets to meet my daughter and the baby, the fourth generation. Big Family Event.
I will read the thread still, until the morning of Thursday. Y'all are doing GREAT.

I may be able to read the thread, even in Italy......



lOOky j DAVE, vic , WNUK, ARROW, Mcasmrm , Old Brit, will all be MISSED

barrick ol' buddy,

GREAT PICS!

I have a couple of the little guys myself. I bought an off brand the Vespid 2, and it flies terrible! I decided to give them another try and bought a Havoc Air Hog. Flies better, but still uncontrollable. I have not added any weight to the nose (looking for a BB). Wondering if these are worth it or just toys....

On another note, just got back in from my first hover with the TREX 450 SE.

WOW

asking myself, why I've spent so much time with the Blade CP?!?!

But then when I get one dialed in and fly a full pack

Wheeeeeee..........

this HELI thing ROCKS!

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by the way, of the 4 Blade CP's I own the stock Blade CP Pro sees the most air time with the best flights.

After nearly a month of my cpp flying like crap, I finally found the problem. Had a bad servo. Wow, what a difference in flying! It's amazing, this thing flies like a dream now. I just wish I would have noticed the bad servo sooner. It looked like it was working properly, but it was not centering to the same position each time it centered. I have a new BL motor ready to install, does anyone know of a good place to buy a 9T pinion, where shipping costs are less than the cost of the pinion? (I thought the motor came with one, but once it arrived, it didn't have one)

If you are using the Park 370 KV4100 (or similar) you will probably want a 8T pinion. Best thing to do of you don't want to pay shipping is have your LHS order it OR make it worth the shipping cost by ordering extra goodies like another battery.

Hi lookyj, I have a couple of the havoc heli's and a cp pro so when the weathers bad I fly the havoc's in my living room. When I fly the havoc heli I trim it so that it can hover without it spinning then I put a thumb tack on the nose of the heli and fly it around the living room in ff flight. Once you can fly it pretty good with the weight you can do drop starts where you hold the heli pointing slightly towards the floor fire it up the let it go it will cover alot of ground in a hurry so be ready but you can sure get this thing flying fast circles this way or sometimes I like to do a boomerang where you drop it fly a circle back to you catch it then repeat. Mostly I like to pester my cat until he trys leaping at it, lots of fun. Happy Flying Rick

The Eng;ishman 'ere.......
Can I throw out a question.....?
If the reason for going to a DD tail is primarily motor life and motors fail 'cos of brushes.....would there be any problem about going brushless in the tail.....?
I'm back to stock in the tail but I did order a CNC dual motor mount this A.M. so I'll give that a try.
I have the mH head set up ready to go but the 3DX-300 V2 cnc head is giving me fits around the pitch control links...got some cogitating to do....Arrow...you have any closups of your rig you wouldn't mind sharing.....?
I work with geometry all and every day in my work and I know there's an optimum condition....just can't quite get there.
I'm reasonably knowledgeable 'bout most things but heli heads ain't one of them. The standard bell-hiller upfit for the CP is symmetrical about the pivot point of the links....the mH head has links that are not symmetrical and they are straight but the other head introduces an angle into the link and that's what's getting me.....'tis there for a purpose I'm not recognizing.
Is there a head guru out there to set me on the path to enlightenment.....?

Arrow is the resident expert on the CNC head...PM him, he'll get back to you. As far as the direct drive on the tail, I'm actually having real good luck with the EP-0320 propeller and the modified stock CP gearbox. The heat sink gets WARM, the motor is cool after a full charge hover. It seems to be working out and I can always put an N30 on if I want so I have options. Actually, I like the direct drive system. It's response and hold are 10x better than stock. Like I said eariler...finding the right combination is the key, and it appears I have stumbled onto it. The weird part is, I had to ground the capacitor on the marked positive terminal and wired neg to pos terminal and pos to the neg terminal in order for it to work correctly. I'll see if I can post a pic here soon. It does work well....when you get it to work. I still say the bell was put on wrong so the polarity mark is indicating the wrong terminal.

Actually, in order to spin the right direction, you would have to reverse the polarity. The rotation was different because of the gear with a gear driven (opposite of motor rotation)

If you set it up as the kit with the kit gearbox, it still was going in the wrong direction. I undertand what you are saying but this is supposed to be a direct drive kit and there was no pinion or gear to consider. I just had the NC-12RCX go bad tonight. I got one defective from Tower, the one from boyztoys had the terminal break off during installation. Can't really see where I'm gaining with direct drive because it appears the motors aren't any better than the N30's. The whole deal is just a PITA. I got a replacement NC-12RCX comming from Tower and I've got two N30's comming from BP Hobby. Seems like motors are really becomming more of an issue than anything else now. So now I'm down for a tail motor and I spent $50 to keep that from happening but it still did. The one that keeps flying no matter what is the ParkZone Cub. Weather permitting...I can fly it several times a day, every day (hummmmmmm).

Choppersrule Here:

I'mmmm BACK, visit to my in-laws was short. Two days, they had another commitment in TN.. Communication Gap.

Dave / Choppersrule




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Crashcrash,

I took the heli with me to the in-laws on our short visit.. To show the Mom and Papa the heli thing. They were amazed..

I want to thank you for telling me to push my flying, As it turned out, I advanced more in two days, than the last two months.
I was outside, Zero wind, what a treat.. Flew the circuit.. hard 90 degree turns, piroutte, and the whole nine yards.. To old to for inverted, Never Happen with me.. But, I'm very happy were I'm at.

Thanks for pushin'

Dave / Choppersrule

Rayelljay,

Quickly, I have to catch up, been gone for a couple days.

1) Don't go brushless on the tail, the motor will last forever, but, the spin- up time time lags, compared to a brushed motor. And response won't be what you expect.

2) Funny Thing:: You mentioned Dual Motor. I installed one tonight, got tired of burning up $50 in DD motors.

Very Pleased with the Dual Drive performance, I'm gonna post some pictures on intstallation.

Later,

Dave / Choppersrule
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Been doing a little soul searching while you were gone. Still haven't made a decision yet. I know once this is in the air, it'll be great...if I ever get there (see my trail of luck). Just waiting for tail motors...again. We had a nice day and I got a couple good hovers in outside before my last motor bit the dust (the NC-12). I've got one NC-12 and two N30's on the way. Glad you got over the "break your pretty little airplane" delemma. Don't get me wrong...you're still going to have bad days (see servo failure/link seperation).

Just took those pics......... that is swash all the way down and tamed down quite a bit. Using the flat woodies for the moment, can't seem to get my syms to balance out right. here is the right way to set up the HDX head. [link=http://www.helifreaks.com/viewtopic.php?t=17482]Finless's HDX build thread[/link]
Also rayellejay, I am using a Futaba 6EXH TX with my blade so I reversed the pitch in the radio. If you are using the stock setup, You have to Manually reverse the pitch by flipping the mixers and washout arms, ect. PITA if you ask me, I would just get 3 Hitec 55's and install them, they run oppisite of the S75's....... And ty men. I am far from a expert on CNC........ just have a little more tear down time involved with this setup, when it flys and all is good....its really good, when it's off........its still ok.....heh

Barrrick.................. will miss ya man, loved your havoc pics...we have two going nitely and have found the downwash from one will knock the other out of the air...........wheeeeeeeeeee....havoc wars!!!


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Choppersrule Here:

Direct Drive vs Dual Drive:

Hmmmm, several of the members have not been satisfied with the Direct Drive configuation due to motors over heating,, Myself included. I mentioned that I was going to try the Dual Motor Set UP. Well, I did that tonight, took about 45 minutes and 3 BEERS.

Being an old guy, knowing that I'll never go 3D, the Dual Motor rocks.. As far as response, it's between a stock single motor and a Direct Drive motor. (I've done all of 'em) Much more stable than a singe motor. In the Dual Motor configuration, the motors share the load, and run very quite and very cool. You do have to re-adjust the proportinal gain and gyro gain, after installation.

If you decide to go with Dual Motors, the first flight or so, will be much different.. Take the first 2 flights slow..

Here's some pictures of my installation, maybe more than you want to see, but, it may help some Noobies.

Dave / Choppersrule

Crashcrash,

Thanks for your wisdom, "break your pretty little airplsne" delemma. I'm over that now, I had a flippin' great time at the in-laws.
They had a great time and so did I... During the day, had 8 great session. Had all my batteries (4 of 'em) and recharged from my car).

See my earlier post with pictures on the Dual Drive set-up... I'm not even gonna try the Direct Drive again...N30 motors from BP Hobbies are less than 7 bucks.

So far, I've got 3 battery packs on the Dual Motors and it's EXTREMELY reliable. Just gotta readjust proportinal and gyro settings.

Again thanks,

Dave / Choppersrule
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I'm sooo glad you got out there and showed 'em what it's all about. I have found this hobby has many setbacks and few gratifying moments. I got some kick butt hovers before the NC12 died. Rebuilding of the head was a nice improvement in stability (things were getting a little loose in the head). I'm down for....TAIL MOTORS...after I threw all that $$ at the direct drive thing. Another setback. You know what? The ParkZone Cub never breaks unless I crash it...and I never crash it. I patched the Corsair back together again tonight and ordered a couple new props. I haven't got that thing to fly but once...for about a minuet. It had a loose wire on the on/off switch that would cause the plane to go nuts and I would loose control....crash...three times...then I found the problem. The plane is now a "bondo buggy" since I've patched it back together that many times. It'll fly...if it's the last thing I ever do[>:].