hey guys,

the engine i mentioned being donated to me a week or two back isn't a cox brand, but is a fox brand instead. it's the .19 size. is it good for much?

elad

reDeal:

I don't like Fox engines, but a lot of people do. That 0.19 is probably fitted with a lapped piston, and as such it requires castor oil in the lube. I have to admit, with proper lubrication and no mistreatment you'll never wear it out. But I don't like Fox engines. A lot of people love them.

Being honest about it, I thought Duke Fox was one big rectum, and even so I have run many Fox engines. But not happily, only when they were the best engines for the job.

Use your 0.19 on a properly sized sport plane, you'll be happy with it.

Bill.

PS: I don't like Fox engines. Haw. wr.

I love my Eagle 2. I've got a lot of planes, but I like the way the Eagle will fly at a very slow scale like speed.

Has a Thunder Tiger .36 2 stroke. Plenty of power.

But my dream engine for this plane would be the new Saito 40 four stroke. It weighs 10 oz. (same as the TT 36) and has a great power to weight ratio.

Turn it into a 3D plane.

Sincraft, Listen to Bill. He gave you the correct information. Once you get it right, leave it alone! Don't let any "expert" tinker with it and mess it up. You don't need every lat "R" out of that engine. I always run mine a little on the rich side, but with good transition from low to high needle.

Elad, This is getting scary, but I agree with Bill, here, too. When I was a kid, flying control line stunt, a Fox 35 was was a good engine. That was 40 plus years ago. I don't think they have kept up with the times. I'd suggest putting it on a test stand and run it up. If it works well, find an airframe and install it. If not, just add it to your collection.

Bill dont like fox engines I got that part- dont call me slow
tom, just cause you look like his twin you dont have to agree with him so much, unless it makes your moms happy LOL LOL
dale- Fox engines have NOT kept up with the times- back when a good day was when you got your ignition motor running before sunset and actualy flew Fox was one of the best. today you can take almost any OS engine out of the box put it on a plane run a tank of fuel through it and fly dependably. some brands take more time to break in ,it is all amatter of choice My preferance is Saito even with the breakin time they seem to ME to have more power in any given size. OS engines seem to run better right out of the box than others. my advice is to leave the FOX on the shelf until you get a real good understanding of why they are different. they are good motors if treated like they should be

go fly some more so we can hear some more stories

I love gas powered. I like fueling. I like flipping. I like tweaking. I love it all. When I anticipate or yearn to fly, I think about getting my engine running..and then running it full blast on the ground for a few seconds, and then feeling the power it has at it's old idle setting after warming up. My engine is MY engine. That's what I used to like about many other sports I was involved in. Golf, Mountain biking etc. Your equipment was YOUR equipment. That's why when I finally choose my 4 stroke for this bipe and the plane leading up to the bipe...it will be a choice I will stick with and back 100% after I figure it all out. However I am allowed to pick on my engine when it acts up,...as it is MY engine. Kinda like cutting on your family memebers. Only YOU are allowed to do that, you wife/girl can't do that.

STEALING UM, ROBBIN' SOME,
for the advice on the Glasses. I've been feeling like this sport is MISSING something. I think that is it. I want to be able to see my plane better, and ESPECIALLY when I can't tell if it is now banked to teh right or the left hehe. Important when it's just above the horizon and diving down. Confidence in my manuvers has saved my arse many times. I have to train my brain to disregard what I THINK I see and realize that I didn't really push that way it's going the right way. Doing the opposite could cause an airplane to Auger into the ground. And I've seen that too many times to want it to happen to me...at least not just yet.
Those glasses should really help things out. I like my shades, but they are more for style and for blocking glare. Even in cloudy days there is glare, but when I wear my shades it darkens thing too much. I never thought about wearing those. Thanks again.
I might even make my eagle a double engine plane and dedicate it to you bill HA. Of course, I won't use fox engines either.

Tom, nobody touches my plane. Earlier this year when I was desperate to get flying and get things working..I let a couple guys fiddle. The one guy got things going, the other messed things up but helped me understand somethings and also took my plane up for me when I was too chicken to solo. I called him my instructor as I thought he was going to be there often like he was last year, but I finally got fed up with not being able to fly so I took off and taught myself the hard way. HAR. Last year my bro solod for the first time, and about 4 - 5 flights later he was taking off and landing for me until I got the guts to do it myself. There was no aborting takeoffs and landings. Usually I just got nervous in flight and shoved the controller into his stomache. THat allowed me to regain my composure and take the controller back. Usually I would just say LAND cause I was afraid I would lose it all. He does and always has been very good at landing. Even his takeoffs look easy and straight compared to many others out there. His flying needs work, although he's good. He is too dangerous. I anticipate a serious crash within his next few times out. He is not happy unless he is pushing the envelope and more. I'm all for that, but at minor steps.
Correction: after that someone did touch my plane. I was polite the first time but the next time I warned him he would be drawing back a bloody stump as I take my personal space serious. Like I explained to his friend, I don't grab his wife's breasts...don't walk over and pick up my plane and start molesting it either. HA. hehehe

S

OK,

I got it that the fox needs castor oil for the lube instead of synthetic. My .46, in the eagle, likes synthetic better. And it's even finickey about the brand it likes.

Other than needing castor oil (you said, I need a good understanding about "Why it's different") why is it different?

The .19 won't fly a plane the size of the eagle, so it'll have to go in some small sport plane. I'll need more flying experience to handle that.

Will the fox need a long break-in time? There's no paperwork with the engine. AND no muffler. I won't like that.

freeDeal

The castor oil has much better high temperature lubricating qualities, and carries heat off to a degree that synthetics can not reach.

How about an Eaglet? See picture.

If the Fox is new, yes, it will take more break in time than you are probably used to.

You can probably still get a muffler from Fox, I have to admit they're good on that.

You might find a new Magnum 0.25 isn't much more expensive, and a lot more powerful.

Bill.

Bill,

Thank you for the information and the pics. Your Eaglet is a nice looking little plane and has a cool color scheme.

Well, I better get going. I told my plant manager I was going to try to phase myself out of the factory. I've been looking for land on which to build a business for myself. There's lots of options, a limited supply of land in good locations and the owners are pricing it as if they don't really want to sell it. $250k for 2.75 acres. ha

I'll find something I can use for much less. I'll have to, to get any.

c u later,

elad

Good Luck in your venture, Dale.

Elad,
Give me 1/2 that money and I'll get you 4x the space in a good area for trucking etc. What is it you are looking to do? Are you hiring? I would be able to do a cost/benefit analysis for you that would prove my worthyness 10 fold. I always have been able to do that at all the 'real' jobs I have had.

(shameless plug above. This is not the opinions or beliefs of RCU or its affiliates)



S

I second that.

Barron, you're up early this morning. Did you get any of the good flying weather that we've enjoyed the past few days?

Stink Wrap,

Thanks for the shameless plug. Cost analysis is always a good idea.

Basically, I analyse the cost of the land and then add the cost of constructing the office building myself during my days off from the factory. If I have 6 months earnings left over in my savings account I'll go for it. I figure that if I accomplish nothing else, I have property that's been improved enough to doule my investment if anyone wants to buy it after I'm done there. At that price, I think I might even be selling my efforts short.

I have a couple of things in mind. Primarily, I'm giong to make and sell portable buildings. I'll get enough land to also house (in the future) a few other businesses that I can lease out. Secondarily, I want to retail small items (smaller than portable buildings anyway.) Hobby items are what I have in mind. Telescopes that I make, cb radios, auto stereos, rc items, Eagle II ARF and a 4 Stroke Engine (what a sloppy way to get on topic huh?)

I have found other real estate at lower prices than the $250k. Whatever land I get will have only one number ahead of the comma, per acre.

Truck stops down here need 5 1/2 acres minimum. One gave $40k per acre, then spent $2m getting all set up. Both of the recently opened truck stops have approched me about moving my cb shop onto their property. My shop is located just across the State line where State law allows me to operate without obtaining a TV technician license. The 2 truck stops who extendeed the invitation are both in my home State, which won't allow the same. Typical of my luck! #*^*@! Why not just get the license? Long frustrating story!

Oh well.

It rained here yesterday and turned cool. Today is sunny, cool enough to make condensation on the windows and to see your breath. No frost yet, but cool enough that I should bring in my Ivy plant and start making a small shelter for my Bonsai stuff.

Happy Thanksgiving,

See ya later dudes,

freeDeal-Dale-elad-dud

Elated:

If you're not stuck on staying where you are, land is a lot less expensive around I-10 here. Not sure of what it's really going for, but it is a lot less than $250K/acre.

Made a fair piece of change back in '73-75 servicing CB (Children'a Band) radios, mostly in peaking and doing high power modifications, and replacing protector diodes when a numbskull reversed the power leads. Can't forget wiring up Turner mikes too.

Didn't think there was any money in it anymore.

All the best in your new affair, anyway.

Bill.

Bill,

The "Children" say it stands for Continually Buying or Constantly Broke. ha

The last I knew they also liked Super Modulation modifications and "Private" channels. I got some books that had a few lines about high power boosting, but I couldn't make heads or tails about it. A lot of CBers brought me their radios saying some tech had it up to 50 watts. My meter showed most of them doing 12 to 15 watts. I'm guessing their "tech" was using a meter that showed p-to-p wattage instead of average watts, or maybe he simply 'adjusted' his meter to show watt he wanted it to.

One of my customers told me his cb was walking all over a trucker who was running a 100 watt kicker. Evidently he told that storyon the air to a bunch of CBers in my community. That story brought me a lot of peak & tune jobs.


I know a tech out in San Fransisco who keeps 8 to 10 techs working for him. It's not that way here. There's fewer than 6 shops within a 75 mile radius who do well to stay in bizz using one tech. You're right, there's not much in it now, especially in a small town like mine, but it can be just those few extra bucks you don't want to bypass if you can get 'em while you're there anyway. That's the way we have to think down here.

About a year ago I took a trip that crossed I-30. There was a sign saying land for sale. The place was sort of remote to my way of thinking, but I asked about the price anyway and to the best of my memory I think they wanted $20k for an acre. shooooooooo

And, I guess I'll just stay around here. I have no debts, except the usual utilities.

If I didn't mind the "starting over" drag I could sell my house, buy a bit of bare land nearby to build and retire on when I get too sick or old to work, and use remainder of the dough that the homestead sold for to strike it rich in some boomtown. I guess I'd rather live out the rest of my life around the nit wits I know rather than living around nit wits I don't know. Maybe everyone doesn't see things like this old nit wit. ha

See ya layer,

Deflated

Oh yeah,

I wonder whats the deal......?

A lot of the time I log onto this forum from my yahoo e-mail page where I get the notification of a new message. When I do a reply sometimes it goes through and sometimes I get a message saying the msg. won't go through because it's being sent through some domain that won't allow it to be sent.

It wouldn't be so bad, but the msg. is lost and I have to re-type the whole thing. That's bad 'cause I'm so long winded. ha

elad

Elad:

I did manage to get 50 watts out the back of a Midland SSB rig, but that was right on the edge. When I put some modulation on it the final popped. Got it reliable about 40 watts input, a little over 100W PEP.

Most of the SSB rigs would sustain 12-15 watts carrier, the AM rigs seldom went much over 7 or 8. Also built and sold a lot of small linear amps, most with rx preamps also. Most powerful transistor amp I ever made was a KW rig, circuit from the Radio Amateur's Handbook, the transistors alone ran right at $1K to buy.

RCU, and lost posts.

When you've finished typing, highlight the whole thing with your mouse, and press (Control)C. Then, if the post is lost in one domain or another, reopen the reply box and press (Control)V. There it all is again, copied from the "Clipboard." Saves a lot of typing.

Bill.

Good Weather?????? Heck no!!!!! [sm=angry.gif] Man we got 5" of puff on Sunday with winds 15-30 Mph. I'm looking forward to my first ski fly on my Pizazz but those crazy and drunk weather men (are they really men??) don't know how to forcast CALM. Maby I should become a weather man at least the goal isn't to be correct.

Well since were kit building last Thursday I got a Cub from one guy who stopped at the field and gave this thing to me. Well it WAS a static display only model. I'm in the process of converting it to RC. the covering was alreaghting coming off the wing. I have to hinge all the surfaces and recover. Thinking about a OS .30 in the nose according to GP it is a 20 sized plane. She's real cute!!

Well Barron, our weather turned to crap, too. I got up at 4:00 this morning and it was 43 Degrees. Now at 11:30 PM it's 21 with 20 mph winds. Forgot to mention that the ground turned white, today, too.

It's definately building season!!!

Bill,

I'll try the highlight text, ctrl c, then crtl v on this post. I did look for the text in the temp file once upon a time, after the post was lost, but naturally there was nothing there.

Thanks for the tip. Yep that should save me from re-typing and re-thinking. Re-thinking is the hard part. ha

In my experience with SSB rigs I could get them up to about 25 w on SSB. Most of the AM radios (Uniden & Cobra) I could get up to 12 to 15 w. while modulating the carrier That is except for the really cheaply made ones. Most of the time I would cut the limiting diode or just max out the control pot for modulation. Usually that gave 125% or would actually go completely off the scale of the modulation meter. It always amazed me thet the distortion wasn't too bad to remove intelligibility from the voice. Heck that part of the meter may have been extremely innacurate though.

I callibrated my watt meter with a Tectronics 100mHz oscilloscope. That might not have been accurate either.

I sold a lot of store bought amps but never built any. The only building of amps I ever did was when I made VFOs down on 80m and 40m.

I made one that put out a whopping 140mW on 40m and talked to people (CW) within a 5 state radius in the daytime, and to Canada during the early evening hours. It was juat a tiny little bit drifty, so I had to maintain an exact speed to keep it on frequency while monitoring the freq with my main rig. ha I wound the coils on plastic medicine bottles instead of using torroid cores. And I boiled them after getting them near enough to the dseired freq. I think the medicine bottle cores were more stable, and using the rat shack NPO caps helped a lot too. Those NPOs aren't available down here any more.

I tried turning that xmitter into a xcvr by switching in an offset capacitor, but I never got that part of the circuit to work right. The freq. spread was always too great no matter what I tried. Maybe the switching transistor's internal capacitance was interracting. [>:]

Oh well, enough of the technical stuff and pounding brass for one night.

cul,

ex KA5YTZ - ex N5RCY - NK5I

e5lad

Dale:

You've not said anything about your training. Did you fly this weekend? We had good wx over here, really pleasant. I didn't go out, too many projects running late.

You'd think I, being retired, would have all the time in the world. I'm sure you've heard that the time required expands to exceed the time available?

Never had any interest in QRP, and never did much mobile except on 10 meters.

I always tried to set the max modulation around 90%, when Joe Schnoe put his power mike on and overdrove the thing the splatter would wipe out six channels on each side, otherwise.

Building linears was good money, cost about $30 and 45 minutes to make a tx only 100w unit, sold a lot for $150. Add a rx amp for $35 more. And the most expensive thing about the rx amp was the circuit board.

When I said "Children's Band I was being polite. I'm sure you know it really stood for "Cheap B*****d."

I haven't done any CB or ham operations for years - the CB descended to the gutter, and the hams all became appliance operators. "My Yaesu is better than your Icom." Got tired of it.

Bill. ex-W4HZP.

Tom we sitting in front of fire building. It is 12deg out there just waighting for the lakes to freeze so that we can do ice fishing and frozen puddle flying. Just think North Dacota was alreaghty below zero. Sounds fun don't it.