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Old 10-16-2006 | 05:01 PM
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I too am also having the same problelm as GeneG. I can start the game, choose a plane and fly around as much as I like for as long as I like. But once I go back to the menu and selcet a different plane or flying field the program crashes. Other than that I am enjoyin the sim so far.
Old 10-16-2006 | 05:21 PM
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Hello Brian, Called cust support this morning around 9:00 EST. told tech my problem, he walked through the registry and had me edit a line within the "Joystick OEM area" but as luck would have it, it did not work. He took my phone number and said he would call me back. I had to leave at 12:330 to take my wife to a dentist appointment and then pick up my grandson at school and didn't get back until 4:00. He probably called back within that time frame and I don't have an answering machine. (Gotta get one). So lets see what tomorrow will bring. I'm not in a big hurry time flys fast for me
. Ask anyone thats retired, he will tell you the same thing..... Manny
Old 10-16-2006 | 09:02 PM
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Ijust bought the FS One a couple days ago. My machine must not be quite enough to fire it up. It crashes after you click the fly button and at the point it says Initializing Realtime objects. My system is Windows XP/ Pentium 1.4/ 512mb Ram/ Ati 9200 128mb Graphics Card(with latest drivers)/ Sound Blaster Audiogy 24bit Sound. Just don't have quite enough gusto in my ole puter I guess. I have ran G3 and G2 without any problems though. I did have to turn down the settings a tad on the G3 though. Looks like I may have to add these four disk to my pile of AOL Frisbee Disk!LOL Just kidding. The sim calls for at least a 1.8 processor, and they must mean it!

Some things I tried to no avail:
In Windows XP I switched from Best Appearance to Best Performance
Lowered all the video settings in the Sim to Low, and took checks off other options
Installed latest ATI drivers
Even tweaked my processor clock rate up a bit, but turned back down as this can create other problems
Ran DxDiag, and everything looked and tested good
Shut down my services, and also startup programs in msconfig
pulled my hair, and said a few bad words
listed the Sim in the MarketPlace at a loss
Old 10-16-2006 | 10:17 PM
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I was wondering when the CG was going to be fixed.... We can only have positive CG numbers (forward only)
This is fixed in the second patch.

You can get it on the FS One site in the Downloads section: [link=http://www.fsone.com/Downloads/Default.aspx]FSOne Patch 1.0.3[/link]

You should be all set after this patch -- and be able to get your cg more aft. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Old 10-16-2006 | 10:24 PM
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Any chance you are working on the sound problem? I have a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 card (most recent drivers) and the music keeps cutting out. I can't even hear the engine sounds at all even with the music off. I tried to remove hardware acceleration but it made no difference.
Have you tried adjusting your sound card acceleration? This usually fixes the sound issue you mention.

Go to the [link=http://www.inertiasoft.com/fsonefaq/index.html]InertiaSoft FAQs[/link] and read (Q1014-FS1, 10/14/06). At this point in time it is at the bottom of the page (but that may change over time as new FAQs get added).
Old 10-16-2006 | 10:37 PM
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I am also having a problem with not being able to exit from the flying screen. No keys seem to work (including esc). On those rare instances that I do get back to the menu if I try to change planes, etc it just crashes with the Windows "Program Crashed would you like to report it to microsoft" error.

I tried diffferent video driver versions and it changed the behavior (but the problem exists through all versions) so Im guessing its realted to that. I am on an SLI equiped pc with the most recent (and other less recent for testing) Nvida drivers.
I suspect this is a video driver problem. I notice that you're using an SLI-equipped PC. From my experience, I have seen a number of problems with drivers involving SLI over the past year, impacting a range of applications. I suppose the complexity of common drivers that also support SLI is quite a challenge for NVIDIA. In any case, this is may indeed be the cause of the inability to exit and well as some other users that have experienced uncommanded shutdowns to the desktop.

You mention that Esc doesn't work. What happens? Does it never exit and just keeps flying or do you go to the desktop?

I have personally see seen situations where going back to an older driver works well. I have also received reports from users experiencing the same thing -- better performance or more stable performance with older drivers.

It's really amazing to see the difference that drivers can have. I've seen good drivers that were literally 10x faster than other drivers, and some drivers that make otherwise stable applications appear flaky.

So, I recommend trying some older drivers. If you find a driver that works well, please post the info so others with NVIDIA SLI configurations can benefit.

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I too am also having the same problelm as GeneG. I can start the game, choose a plane and fly around as much as I like for as long as I like. But once I go back to the menu and selcet a different plane or flying field the program crashes. Other than that I am enjoyin the sim so far.
Thanks for the info. When exactly does the crash occur? At some point while selecting a new plane -- in the menus? After clicking on "Fly" while the program gets ready to fly? Or as it starts flying?

Also, what type of graphics card are you using? Thanks.
Old 10-16-2006 | 10:55 PM
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Hello Brian, Called cust support this morning around 9:00 EST. told tech my problem, he walked through the registry and had me edit a line within the "Joystick OEM area" but as luck would have it, it did not work. He took my phone number and said he would call me back. I had to leave at 12:330 to take my wife to a dentist appointment and then pick up my grandson at school and didn't get back until 4:00. He probably called back within that time frame and I don't have an answering machine. (Gotta get one). So lets see what tomorrow will bring. I'm not in a big hurry time flys fast for me
. Ask anyone thats retired, he will tell you the same thing..... Manny
Manny -- I actually have another approach that I will discuss with customer service tomorrow morning. If you call sometime after 10:00AM CDT, they should be able to explain it to you. (By waiting until 10AM to call, the information should be able to get to all of the support staff by the time you call.)

Let me know if the new approach solves the problem. If not, I'll go ahead and try to explain it in the forums, but it will be a rather long post.

The bottom line, however, is that I think we should get this fixed for you shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience.

...and I really appreciate your patience in all this. Thanks!

Old 10-17-2006 | 12:52 AM
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Installed it and had 2 issues on the install. 2 of the recordings did not decompress. I clicked "Ignore" on each one (realizing it was a recording and would not effect actual execution). No other install issues. I downloaded the patch and installed it before plugging in the TacCon.

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Proc P4 3.0Ghz Hyperthreaded on an ASUS P4C800 Deluxe motherboard.
RAM: 1GB
Video: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro

Love it guys Going to take some tweaking on a couple of things. Like others have mentioned, the CG on the Edge is a little far forward. Moving it back is no problem and it was easy to edit the aircraft. The editor rocks. It's easy to use, intuitive (unless you start reading the aerodynamic variables) and offers PLENTY of options. Took me a bit of time to realize how you guys set up a different radio for each aircraft which can be edited. After that, modifying expo, etc was a breeze. Love the representations of servos, ability to set travel and arm length, etc.

Been flying for about the last 5 hours on it but its bed time One thing about the physics....I bought this because I could do just about anything in G3. I'd go out to the field and there would be things that would happen that just didn't happen when I was practicing the same manuever in the sim. With FSOne, doing the same manuevers resulted in the plane behaving as it did at the field...which tells me, the 3D physics are dead on or very very close (keep in mind though...I suck haha). I nailed down one bad habit I picked up that was causing me to snap out of rolling harriers. On G3, its fine. On FSOne, I saw it and I can work to correct it.

Great simulator in my opinion...some things will take me a bit to figure out. I tried recording via the enter key but apparently it didn't save. Bug? I love the fact I can fly with Quique and Mike and all of the other recorded videos without the actual lesson. VERY NICE.


Old 10-17-2006 | 10:15 AM
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Hey Brian,
The sim crashes at various times. Its always after I have been flying one plane then go back to the menu screen. I can sometimes select a new plane or field to fly at and when I click "Fly" it crashes. Sometimes I just hit the button to select a new plane and it crashes. I too am also running a Navidia GeForce 6800 card on a 3.6Gz machine with 2 gigs of ram. Maybe I should try downloading on old update as well?

Old 10-17-2006 | 10:31 AM
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Hey Brian,
The sim crashes at various times. I can sometimes select a new plane or field to fly at and when I click "Fly" it crashes. Sometimes I just hit the button to select a new plane and it crashes.
This sounds like me several years ago when I was just learning to fly RC. Look at the Plane, and it crashes, taxi to the runway, and it crashes. Try to fly the Plane again and it crashes. Maybe the Sim actually is the most realistic. When you fly RC you have to have crashes! So to have a program that crashes often goes hand in hand with real world experience. Just Kidding of course! I would bet they will be comming out with some more patches soon to correct all the bugs the software has, or help deal with conflicts your machine might have with the software. In my case, I think it is just a case of not enough machine, even though the Recordings run smooth a silk, I've tried 4 different controllers, and have had my hair grow 3 inches while installing and reinstalling. The program looks good though, if you can get it to run right. They had a demonstrator setup in the Hobby Shop, and I flew it quite a bit there. Liked it so well, I bought it even though I have 3 other Sims.
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Hi Brian, happy camper here. Just finished up with a call from a Tech Support gentleman by the name of "Mike". He trouble shot my problem via the internet As we talked on the phone. An extremely knowledgeable individual. I now can run the FS_One program and I also see "Hanger 9 FS One v.1" listed in my Game Controller window. Did not take him long at all. He suspects one of the many (and I do mean many) programs on my computer was causing my problem. Although that progam is still on my computer, he did a fix ,so that, the problem won't come back.... Thanks again to, you, Mike and all you guys on this forum that try to help those of us that need help.... I deeply appreciate it ...... Manny
Old 10-17-2006 | 07:15 PM
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I already can fly planes very well but, i just want to buy one for practice and for fun. I'm looking at this one (fs one). I really am impressted by watching the videos on the website, but i am sorry to say that i think the engine sounds, sound like crap. I am also looking at the reflex one too. Havent really seen any videos with sound on that one. I was woundering if any body has owned reflex and can say weather fs one or reflex is better. Ive done reflex at the toledo show and was pretty impressed on it. I did miss fs one when i was there. I just want to know what one is better.
Old 10-17-2006 | 08:22 PM
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Well I was able to resolve my own problem. It seems to be that a progam called "Window Blinds" was the cause of the crashing. It is a program used to customize your window's interface. Once disabled the sim ran smoothy.

I just want to say to Brian that I think you are doing a great job. You have alot of people thowing questions your way and you are doing a great job to get to each and every one as kickly as possible.
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Just my personal opinion, but even though Reflex looks better, I think FS One flys more like the real thing. Keep in mind that I have only had FS One since Friday, but as I dig into it I find little touches that I like.

For example, the Blade CP model in FS One. In real life when I power the Blade up to full throttle the tail rotor just can't keep up with the torque so I need to correct with a little rudder. The model in FS One has the same characteristic. Its spot on! My first FS One Blade CP flight felt just like the real thing. I have never found subtle effects like that in any other sim (and I own them all). The models in other sims seem to always fly perfect. They feel fake.

I have always said that sims are only good for learning the stick movements, they were not good as a true sim since they never flew like the real planes. Although I have not had FS One long enough to change my mind, yet, I can say that this is the longest I have flown a sim without starting to feel like it was a PC game instead of a training tool.

It's not perfect of course. I have crashing problems in the menus and the sound is a MESS. But I am confident that will be worked out. I feel that FS One is the best sim out there in the one area that counts the most. It feels right.
Old 10-17-2006 | 08:24 PM
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Well well...I have WindowBlinds too. I will disable it and see if that fixes my problems.

Thanks for the info!
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Unloading WindowBlinds fixed my crashing problems. Thanks for the heads up Jeremiah! However the sound is still messed up. No engine sounds and the music keeps breaking up.
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Well I was able to resolve my own problem. It seems to be that a progam called "Window Blinds" was the cause of the crashing. It is a program used to customize your window's interface. Once disabled the sim ran smoothy.

I just want to say to Brian that I think you are doing a great job. You have alot of people thowing questions your way and you are doing a great job to get to each and every one as kickly as possible.
Good detective work Jeremiah! I never considered a software conflict, and it may be the answer to some others problems. I should have considered it though since I have had that very problem in the past. I remember that you could not have VCOM Utillities running on your machine if you wanted to fly online with G2, or maybe it was G3.....can't remeber which, but after dropping my firewall, and trying a host of other things it came down to a software conflict, and the program ran flawless after disabling VCOM! So it could be there are some people running some conflicting programs with FS One just like you found! Great Work!
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Hi Brian, happy camper here. Just finished up with a call from a Tech Support gentleman by the name of "Mike". He trouble shot my problem via the internet As we talked on the phone. An extremely knowledgeable individual. I now can run the FS_One program and I also see "Hanger 9 FS One v.1" listed in my Game Controller window. Did not take him long at all. He suspects one of the many (and I do mean many) programs on my computer was causing my problem. Although that progam is still on my computer, he did a fix ,so that, the problem won't come back.... Thanks again to, you, Mike and all you guys on this forum that try to help those of us that need help.... I deeply appreciate it ...... Manny
I'm really glad we got this working for you. Mike and the others in FS One support are a great team.

I hope you enjoy FS One!
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Well I was able to resolve my own problem. It seems to be that a progam called "Window Blinds" was the cause of the crashing. It is a program used to customize your window's interface. Once disabled the sim ran smoothy.

I just want to say to Brian that I think you are doing a great job. You have alot of people thowing questions your way and you are doing a great job to get to each and every one as kickly as possible.
Hey Jeremiah, you are awesome dude! Figuring out that the issue was Window Blinds has saved me hours of further investigation. Thanks!

Plus, thanks to your post, others that may be using Window Blinds now know what to look for if they encounter a problem.

I hope you can now fully enjoy FS One. Cheers.
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Unloading WindowBlinds fixed my crashing problems. Thanks for the heads up Jeremiah! However the sound is still messed up. No engine sounds and the music keeps breaking up.
Gene -- I'm not sure if you have you tried adjusting your sound card acceleration? In most cases, this fixes the sound issue you mention.

Go to the [link=http://www.inertiasoft.com/fsonefaq/index.html]InertiaSoft FAQs[/link] and read (Q1014-FS1, 10/14/06). At this point in time it is at the bottom of the page (but that may change over time as new FAQs get added).

This *should* fix the sound, but if it doesn't, let me know and I'll have to investigate further. Thanks.
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Any idea when and how addition planes will be available for FsOne?

Specifically Extra's! 300L, 300s, 300, and 260 (Mike M must want a 260!)

I am sure other people would add Yak's to the list.

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Hi Brian,

I did try to adjust hardware acceleration. It did not make any difference. To add to the strangeness. If I run the recorded Aircraft I can hear the engine on those (but still not on mine).

I am using a Aound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS sound card.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Gene
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Any idea when and how addition planes will be available for FsOne?

Specifically Extra's! 300L, 300s, 300, and 260 (Mike M must want a 260!)

I am sure other people would add Yak's to the list.

Thanks

Rob
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On another note: When recording a flight and then trying to capture it using FRAPS, the recording plays back at about 1/16th the original speed. I"m used Fraps to capture G3 and never had a problem so its not an issue with computer performance. What did the FS One team use to capture the demo/marketing videos?
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Just installed my copy on the weekend. What an awesome simulator package. I absolutly love the panorama flying sites! The only issue I have had (and I havn;t read all of this thread yet, or the FAq's) is helicopters sometimes won't throttle up when you load them even after engaging the engine switch they just sit on the runway. all I have to do is exit and reload the sim, but I found it a little odd.

other than that it is extremly realistic and really fun! Also it would be nice if there is a way to remap one of the "tach con" switches for bomb drop. I havn;t found how to do that but that would be a cool feature.

Also would be nice to have the "Showtime 4D" on there as a plane just a wish list for next package. Great sim though love it!


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