Mine wont hover either

well since this is a showtime thread. ill say i flew mine again today twice.. all is still well. my tailwheel springs keep breaking though. and when i was packing up i went to pull wings off and the fiberglass tube in the fuse came out with the wing tube. that white glue looking stuff didnt stick... I am still going to check my wings with a incidence meter. i have quite a bit of left trim in the ailerons to get it to fly straight and it wing rocks like no other in a harrier. I know there is something wrong. with enough flights to get used to the plane. i just hope it is in the wings and not fuse. i would hate to send it back if it was the fuse.. other than the wing rock it tracks exellent. im just concerned by the amount of left that is trimmed to get it straight..if you look real close you can see the aileron on the left wing (right side of pic)

Hi Lee... any idea why the tail wheel springs are breaking?? Are you
thinking of replaceing the tailwheel assy.? Now that you had the tube
problem guess a bit of epoxy may be in order. I do not harrier good
so with the wing rock guess it'll make it even harder for me? Let us
know what you find out on your wing/trim.. Other than what you
have listed how would you rate the plane?? Did you use all stock
hardware? and one more question:-0.... What size spinner are
you using?... I have one on hold.. And money is a bit tight, So
I'm just checking to get all that I need if I complete the order, and
I guess to make the best choice I can in another plane:-)
Thanks for any info

it was only 88deg Barry[X(] was at 600 am, the sweetie got out early and took the pics this morning, hard to take pics and fly too but im practicing, maybe soon i can do a tailtouch and take a pic at the same time

Ron, ill give you credit for being hotter than me(well maybe not me, i wont comment on that one) but i do know its hotter in Laughlin than in Trona by about 5-10deg

nice talking to ya guys again,especially defending our #1 plane[sm=punching.gif]

Hey Gary..... Weather channel said 115.... But you know that's a lie..
It was pretty warm at the field this morning at about the same time:-(
I got 4 flights and went home.... It was the heat... But also checking
on my S.T. deal.... But I have to wait til Monday:-(.. So I need more
info:-)

on the tailwheel spring. i have it in the location recomended in the manual.. there was someone in an earlier post said it was too tight there so i sprung it some so it wouldnt be so tight. but the constant working of the rudder in flight is breaking the springs.. the person that made the post also recomended setting the spring up like the Extra 260 H9. my friends was sitting right next to my plane today and i didnt even think to look and see how it is done on that one. i will figure something out there. that dont stop me from flying it. the spinner is a Great planes 2 1/2 I did a little whittling with the dremel to get the 17x4W to fit. and yes im using all the stock hardware. i added nuts to the controlhorns.(still no one said if they had them with their kit) As far as rating the plane. I would have to do it 2 ways. with and without SFGs with the SFGs it is a blast. Especially KE. BUT the SFGs in wind triples the winds effect on the plane when gusty. without SFGs it will pattern with amazing accuracy. second to a MMMMM patern plane 3D wise im still on the fience. mainly due to the rocking in the harriers. OHHHHH BTW i did some walls with it today and it will slide 30ft or so in the wall position (really cool looking). It rolling harriers FAST and i cant get them as high alpha as i like them (Like funtana 90). It will flat spin almost 1 revolution every 40 ft dropped.very slow. it will KE spin as fast as you want. waterfalls nice but im still falling to the side after 3 or 4. hovering is effortless but the plane is very sensitive so a little mistake will be noticable. I would say the plane is by far NOT a 3D trainer. its alittle more advaced skill wise than the funtana.but the things it does the funtana dont are worth the extra work on the sticks..

also forgot to mention with the SFGs on it will KE into the wind almost sitting still. like a harrier into the wind[X(]

Thanks Lee for the report:-)..... Guess I'll go ahead and put the order through.
Keep us posted on the tail wheel... Have a Great one!!

Finished mine tonight, ready to fly in the morning. Saito 120 with 30% heli fuel. Balance at 7-7/16 with 6.0v battery at back of radio compartment. Anything I should look for on the maiden? Will try it without the SFG's at first. Easiest plane I have ever put together, manufacturers are finally figuring things out, need NO epoxy.

R/C Foolish

Drum, Nice pic of UCD. How does your Showtime land? Are you at manual CG? What do you suggest on the wheel springs? What was your overall weight? Somehow weight has become very important to me. At my elevation and with the 110 I need to be under 9lbs. Under 8.5 is better. Under 8 is best. Are you disappointed in the Showtime? Mine is on the table, just getting started. Probably take me 10 days. Gonna use Hitec stuff and YS.
Thanks,
Barry

My pops was the one who posted about setting it up like the Extra 260. What he did was to take some thin aluminum we had laying around and cut a T out of it. He then screwed this into the bottom of the rudder just after the hinge. So the springs instead of going toward the back of the rudder go toward the front. It takes LOADS of stress of the rudder servo. Before we did this there was enough tension in the rudder you could use it as catapult when it was on its side. Pull the rudder down put something on it and let go. It would go across the room. Now there is just a little tension from the springs at full 45 deg deflection and the tail wheel works great.

I like this plane in the harrier. It does have wing rock if you don't watch out for it. I've found that if I'm carrying to much throttle it rocks more. I've done two harrier landings(never done them with any other plane) and have dragged the tail several times. I've been able to overcome the rock by adjusting my Elevator/throttle settings. I've got the CG where they recommend.

I'll post pics of the rudder setup if I get some time. No garuntees though. I got moved to night shift and I can't keep my eyes open most of the time lately.

No im not dissapointed in my showtime at all.. i just know there is something wrong that is not bringing it to its full potential with the wings. if you look back a few posts at the pic of mine you can see how far the aileron is trimmed. i have mine on the rcomended CG and i am not going back any further. it is far enough there that it will do everything and still track true.I have 0 coupling in KE without SFGs. I am only on my 10th flight or so with it so im still tweaking here and there. I am going to do my spring like the pictures when HELOHELOHELLO puts them up.. I will weigh it today without fuel. If you like under 8 with the 110 you are gonna bee on the edge when hovering.. mine pulls out fine to me . i wouldnt sweat to bring it down to eye level with mine (when i get more comfortable with it) maybee your elevation is making the difference.

Oh yea mine lands great. bring it in chop the throttle.. settle it in. not floaty at all like the UCD or F90

Thanks for the info. I think what I'm hearing is build it pretty much as the manual says and then go from there. Probably make something different on the tailwheel set up. I'm hoping to see some pictures of that, but I won't be to that point for a week or so anyways. Yea, elevation hurts my engines, even the 110 though it probably is effected less. We also are hot and dry. That's why I like to fly early morning. It really makes a difference. I have an Ultra Stick Lite that I've trimmed to 9 lbs and the 110 handles that pretty good. But the Funtana at 9.5 lbs (as light as I could get mine) was pretty bad. So...pretty much 9 lbs is my max weight for the 110 up here, uless I just want to cruise. I'll just balance at the manual CG, whatever that is, and go for it. Can't wait...or is that weight?
Thanks,
Barry

Lee,
check your ailerones to make sure that one is not twisted, I found one had some twist in when i was assemblying the plane. took about 60 seconds with the heat gun to straighten it. Mine flew off the board with only 1 click of trim on the aileron. 20 degrees of up spoileron really takes alot of rock out of the harrier plus I had to add 1/2 oz of weight to the tip of the left wing. I was dropping into elevators and keep noticing that the plane would rock slighltly harder to the right than the left. With the SFG's on, the harriers are better if you are going straight in the wind, if you are at an angle to the wind the SFG's seem to increase the rock. I had my C/G as far back as 1 inch from the recomended and didn't notice any appreciable difference in the performance except it was slightly pitchier on landing, but not much. Like the C/G just fine at the recommended spot
zonk

I think the tailwheel assembly is too big for the plane...Its the same one used on the Extra 260, and the plane sits level on the ground....not that is a big deal.
I didnt put the springs on mine yet, and probably wont. I may get a smaller tailwheel assembly though.
All I had for an engine, was an OS.91FS, and an OS 1.20FS, and I couldnt get the 1.20 to fit in the mount, so I went with the .91FS....My freind just got back from the AMA Nats, so we maidened it last night, and he said the .91FS is ok, but for hard 3-D its not enough ( which I expected ).....plane flew pretty much like my smaller Goldberg Matrix........I didnt use the SFG set-up, as they didnt align with the holes in the wing very well, and I wasnt planning on flying it much with them anyway......
All in all Its a nice plane, that flew pretty much as expected.....

I'm thinking of getting a showtime and before I do so, I want to know what its 3D flight envelope is like.

Can anyone comment on how it does the following maneuvers:

Hover
Waterfall
Wall
Parachute
Harriers (with spoilerons ... w/o it seems to be a wing rocker)
Flat spins (are they really flat ?)

Thanks !!

the guy who designed this plane will be at a jet fly in this weekend and i will ask him personaly about the engine situation by the way a saito 100 in a ucan 40 will give you unlimited vert i would not want to put one in a 60

i thought i did

JVB, that is an OS muffler, probably not available any more. It is part number 29225000.

I also thought that the tail wheel springs were loading the Tail servo too much so I modified it like the Extra 260 H9. I have installed a Thunder Tiger 1.20 I had to modify the motorm9ut because the engine was to wide for the default engine munt spacing. I am also in staling a TME smoke sytem. I aso found the included hardware a little on the soft side, so I replaced them with harder capscrews. I waiting for a Slimline Smoke mufler and that will be all I need to complete.

Hi skylab... Do you have more info/pic of your showtime tailwheel setup?

Maidened mine tonight, several clicks up elevator and it was hands off. Even though I had some problems with carb. and muffler loosening up on my Saito 120 this plane flies great. And it lands even better. Needed to fix a few things will fly more tomorrow night, see what I can do with it. I too got rid of stock tail wheel and modified hardware by using H9 titanium rods and used a Hayes tank mounted more toward the wing tube. Used 6v battery to balance right at 7-7/16.

More info tomorrow night.

R/C Foolish

Boy, you sure have your panties in a wad... Give it a rest...

When was the last time you ever put the recommended size engine in an RC airplane... We ALL overpower them... Here you're chanting about stickin' a Saito 100 in a 40 size UCD, but complain about the fact that YOU put a 100 in a 100 size plane... Doh!!!

Hi Raideron, Yes I have some pics but I am new to the forums and I am having trouble Posting Pictures. If someone can inform me how to do this properly, I have detailed pics of the tailwheel assembly.

Started assembling the Showtime tonight. Got the ailerons hinged. I'm using Dubro pinned hinges so it takes a little longer. Just went over everything and I'm trying to make decisions on how to build the plane. I have a tailwheel left over from my Mayhem. I was looking at it. It's the same configuration as the stock wheel, just a little bit smaller. And the way it "springs" is different, and the Sig tailwheel is a fine tailwheel so I think I'm gonna use that. It will save about 1 1/2 ozs. I also am going to use a pair of the Dubro "Super Lite" 3" wheels. I weighed these and think I can save at least 1 1/4 ozs over stock and have bigger wheels to boot. I plan on using the new APC 16.5x5W prop. I bought two of those and this will be the first plane I try them on.
I'm very impressed with the quality of this ARF. I've only been doing this for two years but I'm amazed how I've seen the quality increase over just that short tim. Very nice airplane, at least in the box.
I'm gonna order a roll of the purple Ultra Coat to seal the hinge lines with.
The cowl looks a little weird to me. I'm not sure how I'm gonna cut it out yet. Decided to take a wait and see attitude on that. The carbon fiber landing gear is beautiful to look at. I hope it holds up well. So far I haven't seen anybody having trouble with that.
I'm still debating with myself on the SFGs. I guess I owe it to the plane to at least try them. So I guess I'm gonna install them but probably not for the first few flights.
Anyways, I'm looking forward to the build.
Thanks,
Barry