I said that, not Krawlin. [&o]

I Was baking what Krawlin said and also backed you by asking AGAIN what they ran, Yet to have a response.

Imagine that, more assumptions about me being a newb and so on. Thank you for the entertainment.

Bottom line is this. Some guy comes on here and says silicone RTV will dissolve in nitro fuel and backs it up with nothing more than the statement "I know I'm right". That doesn't cut it, and that's why he was called out. Then he says maybe the RTV in my area is different (haha, good one). Then he posts pictures of ported/polished engine parts as if that somehow proves that RTV will dissolve in nitro fuel. Next he wants to discuss my racing experience as well as the vehicles I run. Again, I don't see how that relates to the subject at hand. It's all just a bunch of side stepping and I find it incredibly amusing.

After all of this side stepping of the issue and that "I'm right" arrogance, it appears he may have been wrong. I'm on day 2 of my test....RTV soaking in both pure methanol and pure nitromethane, and on day 4 of soaking RTV in nitro fuel. So far none of them smear on paper and are just as firm as a control sample of RTV I have that isn't exposed to any solvent. They don't appear to have undergone any physical change whatsoever.

These tests will be videotaped and posted online. I am currently learning how to rip DVD video onto my computer and format it so it can be uploaded to youtube....have never done that but will figure it out shortly. I will post links when it's up.

Again, I appreciate the entertainment.

Supertib.... you need to calm down and think about what your posting before you post and how it'll look. No one attacked your knowledge.... they just asked for proof which has yet to be provided either way. I will go ahead and say that when it comes to filling a crank I would not use rtv... but thats not what we're talking about here. Adheasion and breaking apart are 2 different things. I too have used rtv with no problems on the carb, backplate, and boot. I seriously doubt that the rtv will breakdown... maybe won't stick to something as well but not breakdown. Red rtv is not made for oil.... it's made for exhaust gaskets in the auto industry. Since theres oil in R/C fuel then it's gonna won't to fall off what ever it should stick to... it does stick but maybe not as well; that doesn't mean it makes a bad sealer. A bad crank filler, yes but sealer, no. I have pulled my motor apart after I sealed it and ran a couple gallons through it and rtv was still tacky (i.e stuck to the parts)

We'll see what the results are but thats my guess.

Do you have a link to the test the engine builders did for the mag? I remember you saying there was one done.

I agree with Dittch on this. Tib expects those of us who don't know him personally to just up and beleive everything he says predicated on the statement "Guys, I know what I'm talking about...I know I'm correct." (see post # 12).

Another example of his arrogance..."...instead of entertaining the idea that I know a lot more about these engines than you guys...". (see post # 34) This is arrogance bud, not confidence...there is a difference.

The best is post # 46 when Tib throws a temper tantrum..LOL!!!! I about lost it when I read it because I've had encounters with people like this and it is a classic example of a cry baby [sm=cry_smile.gif]who doesn't like it when people try to argue with him.

And then even better is that he goes off topic and posts these cute videos and pics of of his cars and friends. How special!

Buddy, I don't give a s*** about your creditenials or how long you've been in this hobby (NOT PROFESSION....lets be straightforward!) . As far as I'm concerned, at this very moment, after what I've experienced with you, your statements matter as much as a fart in a windstorm.

Bottom line from my standpoint is....don't ever expect people to just bow down and believe everything you say.

Now where did I put that toolbox?

Supertib:

On page 2 you say:

"As i say i am going to buy a tube of copper RTV and do a test ... "

On page 3 you say:

"A test is underway...copper RTV is setting up on wax paper right now, ... "

On page 4 you say:

"I currently do not have any RTV here, I don't use RTV and I have no reason to own any ..."

Your credibility is dropping due to these contradictory statements.



Now, take a second and read this thread:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8842624/tm.htm

and ask yourself, "Am I becoming a Type 2 person?"


Reality check:

1/ Total immersion in any chemical for extended periods of time is not a pertinent test.

2/ Filling cranks has nothing to do with engine sealing.


Conclusion for me:

1/ I wish I knew as much about modding nitro engines as you do

2/ I believe everything you say about sealants, however I will continue to use locally available RTV because it works sufficently well for me.


ps: I can understand Tib's frustration. I tried to help a guy on this forum with tuning once. I told him his HSN was too lean. Every body else told him his LSN was too lean. Despite everything I tried, he listened to the others. Sure enough, a week later he had a new post complaining about burning out glowplugs. The difference however, is that I learned from that. Let it go my Manitoban friend, you're sinking fast, and it has nothing to do about wether you are right or not. What it will do is make simliar threads a more common occurance and it will only cause more and more trouble.

HI My name Is IVO and ive just read this very backey forthey discussion. I would like very much to try this 1211 stuff. could you please offer more detail like where a guy might obtain this stuff, and Is that exactly what its called? just 1211 sealant? thanks in advance

I think you all that are attacking supertib are the arrogant ones, thinking you are correct over what an expert says.(expert?) If a pro mechanic on a drag racing team tells you that you should assemble an engine in a certain way for a certain application, you would listen to them.(no actually i wouldnt-if i had a 71 pinto, he would have no idea) You wouldn't just start accusing them of being wrong on a forum. (i never said he was wrong, i just asked him to support his claim)

I swear you guys could piss off the Pope.(good) I mean honestly, if you don't believe an expert, don't argue with them, just drop it, be mature about it. I would not be surprised if all of you arguing with supertib are teenagers who get everything handed to them and get your way all the time and if someone tells you different you throw a fit. (thats funny, i was thinking the same thing about you)

Supertib knows more than you about engine modification and what works for sealing and what doesn't, and he knows more than me about engine modification and what works for sealing and what doesn't, so why don't you accept the truth that nitro fuel can eat silicone sealant.(because i want him to prove it) And don't give me that crap about "then wouldn't it eat fuel line?", well there is a very big difference between sealant and fuel line. (so explain it to me- becha you wont)

Unfortunately I wasn't able to go buy a tube of RTV...However a test was started by a 3rd person who isn't part of the argument....everything I said is accurate and i explained it later in this thread.... I felt that even if I did these tests the knucklheads in this thread wouldn't have beleived my results anyways..so a unbiased 3rd person is performing the tests.....This person already owns RTV and it saves me from buying a product that I feel is a poor choice for sealing..... LOL it even says right on the package of RTV that it is not fuel proof LOL..hell if it cant withstand gasoline it definitely cannot withstand Nitro......... RTV is not nitro proof, it may work as a sealant, but if any is on the inside of the engine after sealing it is going to soften and contaminate the engine, i see this all the time on engines i am sent to modify... IMHO a person should research who they are arguing with before they open their mouth and make an ass of themself.... RTV is not nitro proof and the 3rd person tests are going to show it clear as day......the beauty is i have nothing to do with the tests so nonbody can claim I rigged the results...

I have already stated RTV will work, but it will not sustain itself in contact with nitro as it is not Nitro proof..... All I ever said is that even tho RTV may work , it is not truly nitro proof and that people should consider 1211 instead as it is actually nitro proof......i never said RTV wont work, I have even admitted I have used it myself....

Not all RTV is the same, I have only tested copper RTV, not the blue stuff these guys are talking about...I have no clue what the differences are, but copper RTV softens in nitro .... As I say they sell copper RTV here, I have never seen this blue RTV that is being discussed....

If RTV is actually nitro proof ( which it is NOT) it would be perfectly safe for submersion and using as a crank filler... I already acknowledged RTV may work for sealing, as it is mildly resistant to Nitro...these guys weren't happy with that and are saying it is 100% nitro proof..... if it is 100% nitro proof then it will work as a filler and withstand unlimited submersion......... Remember I already said these points !

As for a test, it takes time to fully cure RTV (48 hours)and several days to soak it... this argument hasnt gone on long enough to complete the test, so what else can I do to prove this..I already said people will have to wait for the results of the 3rd person test.....

In short what I said all along is this...RTV may work for sealing, but its not truly nitro proof and its seal will fail if there is extended direct exposure to nitro...So instead of using a product that is half assed, why not just start with a product that is 100% nitro proof to begin with... I dont care how good RTV is, 1211 is much better....why settle for less when you can have the best....


so now I dont want to hear how this isn't a fair test, as i already acknowledged RTV will work, I just said it is not nitro proof...if it is nitro proof like 1211 it will work as a crank filler and withstand total submersion..... you can't have it both ways, it is either nitro proof or it isn't....if its nitro proof then these tests will not affect it......You can repair a floatbowl in a carb using 1211, i would like to see someone use RTV for that ( manufacturer even has on package it is not )...just like i said from square 1..it may work for sealing, but its not really fuel proof...all i was doing is trying to guide people to a better product............ You guys are going to see i have been 100% correct the entire time, so prepare to eat some humble pie !@

"IMHO a person should research who they are arguing with before they open their mouth and make an ass of themself"

"IMHO a person should explain why they think the are right and not just say "im an expert listen to me"

I seem to recall Post # 52 stating that you had a glob of RTV setting up on wax paper already. "...copper RTV is setting up on wax paper right now. This is getting better and better. Did the tooth fairy set this up for you?

So now you can't get RTV? Did your car break down? You don't have a bicycle? You ain't no hustler! Probably ain't got no money anyhow! Take some of them cars to the club and make some money!

We should research who we're arguing with? Sorry I haven't had a chance to read the national enquirer in a while. Did bat boy challenge you to a race? I bet the internet is just filled with pictures of you and Prime Minister Harper as you consult him on your expertise!

Make an ass of ourselves?...are you kidding me? Over half the people on this thread, along with 2 others who PM'd me, are calling you out on your fecal infested statements.

Go sit in the corner and wait for the results.

I know I am right... my history with engines goes back much longer then my time with engine mods..my father owned a speed shop, my grandfather owned a speed shop and my great grandfather owned a speed shop..I am a 4th generation gear head who has spent his entire life building high performance machines..my brother is a master engine builder, he builds Blown Alchohol and injected nitro engines, as well now he is onto Sprint car and late model engines..... He would tell you as well RTV is not nitromethane proof, we have to use special sealers on the nitro engines...... Sorry to say but I know I am correct on this, so what else do you want me to say ? Just like you used to argue the RE32 was not the same as the Axial 32...ends up I was correct, the RE 32 is the same junk the Axial 32 is............how do I know these things ? well it comes from years of working on these engines every day, seeing the results of RTV melting on the inside of backplates and making a mess inside the engine.... as i say the next customers engine that comes in with RTV inside I will snap pictures of the contamination it causes................you guys have the nerve to call me arrogant ? what else am i supposed to say, i already know RTV is not truly fuel proof, I know I am right on this.....Should I be agreeing with people who i know have far less experience and knowledge then i have just to be nice ? what good would that do ? When I was looking for an appropriate crank filler i contacted several manufacturers including permatex and asked if their prodct was suitable, and they all said NO that it was not.... if its not suitable to fill a crank then it obviously can't be nitro proof.. this argument was never about RTV being suitable for sealing an engine, it has been about RTV being nitro proof....

Yes the RTV was setting up, but its not being done by me ! your grasping at straws........ RTV is not fuel proof, the manufacturer will even tell you that......

My god are you ignorant....! you guys are being proven wrong and now you are looking for other angles to use...give it up..RTV is not fuel proof LOL !

listen boy..you say you never accused me of being wrong and only asked me for proof


well here is your first reply to my staement of RTV not being fuel proof :

youve got it backwards- why dont the fuel lines melt then? gas eats silicone. ive sealed my surefire.32 with permatex sensor safe blue rtv silicone gasket maker for over five years....



you didn't ask for proof, you just told me I was wrong.... you don't even remember your own post LOL !

"Just like you used to argue the RE32 was not the same as the Axial 32...ends up I was correct, the RE 32 is the same junk the Axial 32 is" take a look back on post #82- i think its been proven who remembers thier posts.

and i didnt say you were wrong, i said you had it backwards- says right on the label not to be immersed in gasoline- and i did ask for proof, thats why i said why dont the lines melt then- i was hoping you could dip into your "expertise", but.............


and i use rtv on the intakes and exh of my zen motors too- i know rtv wont hold up to gas but i dont even need to use the fiber gaskets. no leaks. my original point was if its not broke dont fix it. i dont have any trouble using rtv as a SEALING agent in any of my motors, nor do i have these contamination issues you speak of.

you're just to fond of the idea of you being right. i seriously dont care if you are or arent, nor do i care if this test proves anything. im still going to do what ive been doing, wether you think its wrong or right....

oh... and dont call me boy.[sm=thumbs_down.gif]

Remember..I never said RTV wont work as a sealant, i even said I have successfully used it myself in the past

I only stated even tho RTV may work, it is not fuel proof...

You guys chose to jump all over me for these exact statements........ NOW YOUR CHANGING YOUR STORY AND AND TOTALLY FORGETTING THE WHOLE REASON YOU STARTED IN ON ME...of course i know RTV will work, I even said that from square one..I even said it doesn't bother me one bit if you use RTV for sealing...I even said I have used RTV in the past .. All I did was offer up that RTV was not fuel proof and that there is a product called 1211 that is fuel proof and makes for a better sealer........ Well guess what ? RTV is not fuel proof ( manufacturers words) and 1211 is fuel proof.... which would be a btter sealer ? a product that is 100% fuel proof or a product that isn't ? It seems to me you clowns were more looking for a fight then you were about finding out the actual facts.... I repeat...RTV will work as a sealant, but it is not really fuel proof....... If you want a truly fuel proof product there is something called Threebond 1211.............


And to the fellow who said I was too broke to buy Copper RTV LOL dude I got a piece of metal in my eye and had gone to the hospital to have it removed...They used cyclopentolate drops to dialate my pupils..unfortunately because of this I was unable to drive as my eyes would barely focus and I had severe light sensitivity.. I am still out of commission and will have to use these drops for the next 4 days..... Another forum meber stepped up and has started to perform these tests....what else do you want ? you guys dont trust me, so why would i waste my time doing the test, you will discount the results as me cheating anyways.... I have taken your best interests in mind and have asked a unbiased 3rd person to perform the tests...you guys should be happy as you will be able to trust the results......................... Now you want to talk about money ? are you bloody serious ? What RC's do you even own ? lets hear the equipment you experts run..... If your so wealthy lets hear about the gear you run... I will then post what gear i run and we can compare notes and financial ability to buy gear........ Seriosly guys what RC gear do you even own ?

What is ignorant about what I said? I'm just outlining what you said. You're pretty good at avoiding these questions.

Dunno what all the arguing is about.

I've had numerous engines from several different manufacturers over a span of 50 plus years and to date have never found a need to use any sealant except in one instance where the backplate paper gasket was ripped.Your mileage may vary.

Seems strange to me in this day and age of CNC manufacture that any engine should be sold so out of tolerance on backplate and carb fitting that it needs aftermarket sealing.

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what question do you want answered ?

you asked for proof..I arranged a third person to test the fuel, the test is underway and not complete..... The package says right on it not to be submersed in fuel...

you guys asked who te heel I thought i was and what credentials I have..I posted video's, pictures and proof of my work winning races...what else did you want ?

seriously I have not avoided any questions, in fact I have hit them head on......... what else do you want to know ?

I appologize for my poor typing right now..my vision is blurry and I am having trouble typing....

Am i arrogant for saying i knew i was right ? especially when it says right on the package of RTV that it is not to be submersed in fuel ? this is rocket science, if the manufacturer says not to be used with fuel, it means it is not fuel proof...or are you guys going to call parmatex and argue with the engineers who make the product since you obviously know better ?

for anyone wondering...here is the TDS sheet directly from permatex about the Ultra copper RTV sealant... http://www.permatex.com/documents/td...tive/81878.pdf ...........it even directly says not for use with any parts that come into contact with gasloline.....As well all permatex selants are not to be used with any heavy oxidents, notromethane is a oxident .... as well many are stated as only being oil resistant, not oil proof..Nitro fuel has plenty of oil ...... here is the Permatex site if you wish to research the different characteristics of their products, as i said before not all RTV's are the same..... http://www.permatex.com/products/Aut...ket_makers.htm ...........you guys can read for youselves I was telling the truth the whole time, yu were just to ignorant to realize you maybe don't know nearly as much as you thought you did.................... thank you, come again !

super read post #6. nitromethane is listed at intox.org as a mild oxidant. i dont think it even compares to chlorine, and methanol, the majority component in fuel is listed as a Saturated primary aliphatic alcohol- now permatex says it will hold its properties against alcohols so...........

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4768881/tm.htm

i thought you said the axials were junk? i thought that was your "expert" opinion? guess not huh?