Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
09-03-2009 | 10:50 AM
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Just ordered one of those gyros to mess around with on the King 3, Vic, thanks.
BTW, is this what you are getting?
http://www.xheli.com/exi-450-body-frame-arf.html
Just ordered one of those gyros to mess around with on the King 3, Vic, thanks.
BTW, is this what you are getting?
http://www.xheli.com/exi-450-body-frame-arf.html
Gyro....the G401B is physcally bigger than the E-Sky 704 HHG. If you do it right, you could mount it inside the frame instead of on the gyro deck...done that before on scalers. The reason I put mine on the gyro deck is just for ease of adjustment but I did have my last one break in a bad crash....such is life, you will crash, things get broke.
09-03-2009 | 11:03 AM
RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP!
Ok well the EXI is still not flying. After changing thr/pit curves went outside to test and was better I still need more pitch earlier. While I was out I decided to work on getting the gyro/tail tuned everything was working like it is supposed to but tail was wagging in HH and Rate with gain at or near 0% well next thing is no tail response it just stopped YEP lost a tail servo. I had a Hxt-900 on the tail and gyro(1st thing I checked)was in the correct setting mode for analog servo. This servo has only had "bench" testing done maybe a hop or two but no hovering. I have spare Hxt servos but don't want to burn another one and I'm not touching the Belt Cp just for a servo. So now I am at looking for a good digi servo futaba 9650 BUT also don't want to destroy a high $$$ servo if the problem is the gyro. The only reason I think this is the last crash that I had was HUGE and I haven't had that gyro in the air since. I might have to swap gyros to test(G90 from Belt) But again I got a felling that these cheap servos just aren't up to the task of tail servo.
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Oracus I dont know what direction to point you in as far as fixing your problem. But I can tell you the Futaba 9650 is a awsome tail srvo. I have it one my HDX and it's been through a ton of crashes and always bounces back.
Crash, I may be able to mount the gyro underneath the frame. Well see what happens when I finally get the gyro.
Crash, I may be able to mount the gyro underneath the frame. Well see what happens when I finally get the gyro.
09-03-2009 | 11:20 AM
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ORIGINAL: Oracus
Ok well the EXI is still not flying. After changing thr/pit curves went outside to test and was better I still need more pitch earlier. While I was out I decided to work on getting the gyro/tail tuned everything was working like it is supposed to but tail was wagging in HH and Rate with gain at or near 0% well next thing is no tail response it just stopped YEP lost a tail servo. I had a Hxt-900 on the tail and gyro(1st thing I checked)was in the correct setting mode for analog servo. This servo has only had ''bench'' testing done maybe a hop or two but no hovering. I have spare Hxt servos but don't want to burn another one and I'm not touching the Belt Cp just for a servo. So now I am at looking for a good digi servo futaba 9650 BUT also don't want to destroy a high $$$ servo if the problem is the gyro. The only reason I think this is the last crash that I had was HUGE and I haven't had that gyro in the air since. I might have to swap gyros to test(G90 from Belt) But again I got a felling that these cheap servos just aren't up to the task of tail servo.
Ok well the EXI is still not flying. After changing thr/pit curves went outside to test and was better I still need more pitch earlier. While I was out I decided to work on getting the gyro/tail tuned everything was working like it is supposed to but tail was wagging in HH and Rate with gain at or near 0% well next thing is no tail response it just stopped YEP lost a tail servo. I had a Hxt-900 on the tail and gyro(1st thing I checked)was in the correct setting mode for analog servo. This servo has only had ''bench'' testing done maybe a hop or two but no hovering. I have spare Hxt servos but don't want to burn another one and I'm not touching the Belt Cp just for a servo. So now I am at looking for a good digi servo futaba 9650 BUT also don't want to destroy a high $$$ servo if the problem is the gyro. The only reason I think this is the last crash that I had was HUGE and I haven't had that gyro in the air since. I might have to swap gyros to test(G90 from Belt) But again I got a felling that these cheap servos just aren't up to the task of tail servo.
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Hi guys,
Just barginin' in real quick.. I see some talk about the G401B gyro and the EXI Legend 450.
I just bought both in the last month or so. The Legend 450 is an awesome heli, the big plus on it is that the it has a main shaft pulley system for the tail rotor. (Same as the HBK2). It's quite, easy to adjust belt tension and so on. It's a simple system and works great.
For the price of 55 bucks, ya can't beat it. The major thing on any heli, and I repeat this all the time is "SET-UP". That's the most critical aspect of any good flying helicopter. Take the added time to make it on the money.
G401B gyro: That's another winner right there, I would recommend it to anyone. It does hold rock solid.. I don't do 3D so I'm not sure of it's total capabilites, but sports flying it's GREAT.
One thing ya have to remember with ANY gyro, it does take time to get it set up properly. Tweeking here and there.
Always center your tail servo with the gyro out of the circut. Plug tail servo right into the RX first, then install the Gyro.
There's a Limit pot and a Delay pot on the gyro, plus you'll need to tweek the TX setting. Takes some time, but this puppy is really a nice RIDE..
Later folks,
Dave / Choppersrule
Just barginin' in real quick.. I see some talk about the G401B gyro and the EXI Legend 450.
I just bought both in the last month or so. The Legend 450 is an awesome heli, the big plus on it is that the it has a main shaft pulley system for the tail rotor. (Same as the HBK2). It's quite, easy to adjust belt tension and so on. It's a simple system and works great.
For the price of 55 bucks, ya can't beat it. The major thing on any heli, and I repeat this all the time is "SET-UP". That's the most critical aspect of any good flying helicopter. Take the added time to make it on the money.
G401B gyro: That's another winner right there, I would recommend it to anyone. It does hold rock solid.. I don't do 3D so I'm not sure of it's total capabilites, but sports flying it's GREAT.
One thing ya have to remember with ANY gyro, it does take time to get it set up properly. Tweeking here and there.
Always center your tail servo with the gyro out of the circut. Plug tail servo right into the RX first, then install the Gyro.
There's a Limit pot and a Delay pot on the gyro, plus you'll need to tweek the TX setting. Takes some time, but this puppy is really a nice RIDE..
Later folks,
Dave / Choppersrule
09-03-2009 | 07:38 PM
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ORIGINAL: choppersrule
Hi guys,
Just barginin' in real quick.. I see some talk about the G401B gyro and the EXI Legend 450.
I just bought both in the last month or so. The Legend 450 is an awesome heli, the big plus on it is that the it has a main shaft pulley system for the tail rotor. (Same as the HBK2). It's quite, easy to adjust belt tension and so on. It's a simple system and works great.
For the price of 55 bucks, ya can't beat it. The major thing on any heli, and I repeat this all the time is ''SET-UP''. That's the most critical aspect of any good flying helicopter. Take the added time to make it on the money.
G401B gyro: That's another winner right there, I would recommend it to anyone. It does hold rock solid.. I don't do 3D so I'm not sure of it's total capabilites, but sports flying it's GREAT.
One thing ya have to remember with ANY gyro, it does take time to get it set up properly. Tweeking here and there.
Always center your tail servo with the gyro out of the circut. Plug tail servo right into the RX first, then install the Gyro.
There's a Limit pot and a Delay pot on the gyro, plus you'll need to tweek the TX setting. Takes some time, but this puppy is really a nice RIDE..
Later folks,
Dave / Choppersrule
Hi guys,
Just barginin' in real quick.. I see some talk about the G401B gyro and the EXI Legend 450.
I just bought both in the last month or so. The Legend 450 is an awesome heli, the big plus on it is that the it has a main shaft pulley system for the tail rotor. (Same as the HBK2). It's quite, easy to adjust belt tension and so on. It's a simple system and works great.
For the price of 55 bucks, ya can't beat it. The major thing on any heli, and I repeat this all the time is ''SET-UP''. That's the most critical aspect of any good flying helicopter. Take the added time to make it on the money.
G401B gyro: That's another winner right there, I would recommend it to anyone. It does hold rock solid.. I don't do 3D so I'm not sure of it's total capabilites, but sports flying it's GREAT.
One thing ya have to remember with ANY gyro, it does take time to get it set up properly. Tweeking here and there.
Always center your tail servo with the gyro out of the circut. Plug tail servo right into the RX first, then install the Gyro.
There's a Limit pot and a Delay pot on the gyro, plus you'll need to tweek the TX setting. Takes some time, but this puppy is really a nice RIDE..
Later folks,
Dave / Choppersrule
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Well I placed my order this morning for the G401B. There is only one shipping option which seems like priority, says 2-5 business days. I'm sure I wont see it untill next friday though because it's coming from Cali, but at least it's on it's way. Plugging the tail servo directly into channel 5 on the Rx is the best way to get it centered? I also ordered some super light weight fly-bar paddles and some carbon fiber tail blades this morning. I've read that the CF tail blades will make a slight difference holding the tail over the plastic ones.
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Joey ~
I've heard of SO MANY guys liking the G401b from here on RCU, and over on Helifreak. Guys use it also on there Trex 500's without any probs as I've also read. Like Jay, my GY401's rest up front under the battery tray. Never a problem being there, and all have survived my crashes. Just some more FYI for ya. It doesn't matter where ya stick yours, its all preference.... The thing will surprise you, and is all ya need for now.
Here is a review I had saved from TREX TUNING that gives a review about the G401b :
http://www.trextuning.com/g401b.php
I've only heard of one gent not liking the G401b, and that was from Baurwin over on the Struggling thread who uses both the Gy401's and the G401b's, and he said he doesn't like the 401b as it didn't perform like his 401's do.... BUT its the only thing I've ever heard ! And for my next gyro, I'am going with the G401b to give it a shot though as I feel confident enough about it...
Oh... maybe you could squeeze one on a MCX.... ?!
Dave ~
Hope things are going smooth for ya Chief ! The Logo flies so stable I still haven't crashed it yet ! Glad to hear your still finding the time to wrench on the heli's and fly also...
I've heard of SO MANY guys liking the G401b from here on RCU, and over on Helifreak. Guys use it also on there Trex 500's without any probs as I've also read. Like Jay, my GY401's rest up front under the battery tray. Never a problem being there, and all have survived my crashes. Just some more FYI for ya. It doesn't matter where ya stick yours, its all preference.... The thing will surprise you, and is all ya need for now.
Here is a review I had saved from TREX TUNING that gives a review about the G401b :
http://www.trextuning.com/g401b.php
I've only heard of one gent not liking the G401b, and that was from Baurwin over on the Struggling thread who uses both the Gy401's and the G401b's, and he said he doesn't like the 401b as it didn't perform like his 401's do.... BUT its the only thing I've ever heard !
And for my next gyro, I'am going with the G401b to give it a shot though as I feel confident enough about it... Oh... maybe you could squeeze one on a MCX.... ?!
Dave ~
Hope things are going smooth for ya Chief ! The Logo flies so stable I still haven't crashed it yet !
Glad to hear your still finding the time to wrench on the heli's and fly also...
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my tail is spinning out of controll again guys. Just got the new tail blades on and the tail is spinning in a counter clockwise direction. Is that right? I also have the trailing edge of the blades going down. When spooling up, if I give ti any rudder inputs she starts spinning crazy one way or the other. Please let me know what I'm doing wrong........again. Thanks, Joe
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Joey- Is that all you changed was tail blades? Did you do something else at the same time to possibly cause it? When the tail blades spin counterclockwise, the leading edge shoulsd face up and the trailing edge down, so it sounds like you got them on right. Double check the rotation is c.c. when you rotate the main blades clockwise. Other things to check; direction of the gyro (did you reverse it on the gyro itself or maybe in the TX settings? Is the tail servo working properly? Are you main blades turning the right way when you apply throttle? Is the belt tension tight enough?
See what you find and let us know.
Jim
See what you find and let us know.
Jim
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Belts tight, main blades spin Clockwise and tail blades are spinning counter clockwise. I did put my new carbon fiber tail boom on. Maybe the belt is twisted the wrong way in the tube. the only reason why I think it wouldn't be is because of how smooth it feel when spinning it by hand. I'll try flipping it around to see what happens. I bet thats what the problem is hahaha I'll post results.
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Tried flipping the belt all different ways and that did nothing but make it worse. When back to "normal" spinning all the right way and smooth, the tail just goes nuts. In my Futaba 7C Tx, in "gyro" menu, as far as % I'm at 30% and it's set to "A" rather than "N". what's that all about?
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Joey,
You want"A". That is for head holding. and I'm @ 40% but each heli is different. I know it was asked but the tail blades are spinning counter clockwise into the blade stream and the blades aren't rotating backwards?
Blessings,
Jay
You want"A". That is for head holding. and I'm @ 40% but each heli is different. I know it was asked but the tail blades are spinning counter clockwise into the blade stream and the blades aren't rotating backwards?
Blessings,
Jay
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If viewing the tail blades from the side, they were spinning counter clockwise which I guess for my set-up is wrong. I flipped the belt, had it going clockwise, toward the heli, and I flipped the blades around and now she soild again. I think it's about time I write this stuff down because Im just tired of going through this. I can never remember hahaha But thank you guys for the support.
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Joey,
Pictures are worth a zillion words. The tail blade on the left, the trailing edge should point skyward. Put you finger in the notch and turn int counter clockwise. The main blades should spin clockwise, viewing the heli from the top. If that's all good, you may try to increase the setting in the TX for the gyro, by 2 percent, try it out. Continue to bump the setting 2 percent, until the spinnig goes away.
Also, you may have the tail servo move on ya. Check the tail sevo for centering. Disconnect the gyro and plug the servo into channel 4 of the RX, make sure the sevo is centering properly and that the tail slider is centered on the tail shaft. Disconnect servo from RX and re-install the gyro leads. (Channel 5 is for the signal lead from the gyro, it's the plug with one wire.)
Dave / Choppersrule
Pictures are worth a zillion words. The tail blade on the left, the trailing edge should point skyward. Put you finger in the notch and turn int counter clockwise. The main blades should spin clockwise, viewing the heli from the top. If that's all good, you may try to increase the setting in the TX for the gyro, by 2 percent, try it out. Continue to bump the setting 2 percent, until the spinnig goes away.
Also, you may have the tail servo move on ya. Check the tail sevo for centering. Disconnect the gyro and plug the servo into channel 4 of the RX, make sure the sevo is centering properly and that the tail slider is centered on the tail shaft. Disconnect servo from RX and re-install the gyro leads. (Channel 5 is for the signal lead from the gyro, it's the plug with one wire.)
Dave / Choppersrule
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Jeff-Michael,
I'm so glad that the Logo 10 has worked out for ya. You've seen in my other post that I did get the Legend 450 and a G401B gyro.
I'm running JR DS285MG's on the cyclic and a HXT-900 on the tail. The HXT-900 tail servo is a cheapy, but it is faster than the 285's.
And a Exceed Volcano 40 amp ESC, plus 2200 mAh 20C Zippies.
I'm very pleased / impressed with it's performance. Stable as can be and piros like lightening. I see the loop coming pretty soon, I gotta catch up, LMFAO!
Tell Kelly I said Hi. Hope the business is keeping ya busy, mine sucks right now. LOL!
Later,
Dave / Choppersrule
I'm so glad that the Logo 10 has worked out for ya. You've seen in my other post that I did get the Legend 450 and a G401B gyro.
I'm running JR DS285MG's on the cyclic and a HXT-900 on the tail. The HXT-900 tail servo is a cheapy, but it is faster than the 285's.
And a Exceed Volcano 40 amp ESC, plus 2200 mAh 20C Zippies.
I'm very pleased / impressed with it's performance. Stable as can be and piros like lightening. I see the loop coming pretty soon, I gotta catch up, LMFAO!
Tell Kelly I said Hi. Hope the business is keeping ya busy, mine sucks right now. LOL!
Later,
Dave / Choppersrule
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Jay,
You rascal you, great eye there. It's a ding, but not bent. Had a tiny mishap. LMAO! Busted a brand new set of blades. Lol! Other than that no damage. I got a couple sets of 315 mm blades from Deal Extreme just to test them out. They are like $3.69 a set. Yikes, they are really pretty darn good. Free shipping, the down side is ya gotta wait for 3 weeks to get them. But for that price, I'm not complaining at all.
Tell Ronda, the OLD one said Hi.
God Bless ya Jay, love ya man,
Dave / Choppersrule
You rascal you, great eye there. It's a ding, but not bent. Had a tiny mishap. LMAO! Busted a brand new set of blades. Lol! Other than that no damage. I got a couple sets of 315 mm blades from Deal Extreme just to test them out. They are like $3.69 a set. Yikes, they are really pretty darn good. Free shipping, the down side is ya gotta wait for 3 weeks to get them. But for that price, I'm not complaining at all.
Tell Ronda, the OLD one said Hi.
God Bless ya Jay, love ya man,
Dave / Choppersrule
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Hey Dave thanks for the pics and taking the time to help me out. I think you and I have a different set-up though. After doing what you said it only seemed to make matter worse. I found that my set-up has the tail blades spinning clockwise with trailing edge down. All is good now and I can't believe the responsiveness of the heli with these setting this way. HAHAHA I'll for sure be able to pull some loops and rolls. But that'll come with time, I'd like to get use to this set-up first. My 1800mah packs get 7 minutes flight time and my new 2200 got 9 and really didn't show signs of low voltage. I just figured it was good at 9 minutes. Switching to Idle up, I have no change in anything and it's awsome. I havent tried Idle up 2 yet though. Can't wait till I get out of work tomorrow and really get this thing flying around.
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Hey Joey,
Do you push the rudder stick right to make the nose go right or do you push the rudder stick right to make the tail go right? The saying is" flying the tail or the nose". I'm not really sure if it will make a difference or not but might help to know
Just trying to help out and most know that I'm not a problem solver here[
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Dave,
I meant to write dent not bent, LOL but I bet you secured it with those srews, LMAO!!!
Blessings,
Jay
Do you push the rudder stick right to make the nose go right or do you push the rudder stick right to make the tail go right? The saying is" flying the tail or the nose". I'm not really sure if it will make a difference or not but might help to know
Just trying to help out and most know that I'm not a problem solver here[]Dave,
I meant to write dent not bent, LOL but I bet you secured it with those srews, LMAO!!!
Blessings,
Jay
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Joey,
Glad ya found the problem. Like I always say, "Set-up".. Takes some time to do it right and your in the right direction. A tweek here and a tweek there. Hey, you're getting some great flight times with the 1800 & 2200 mAh batteries.
Have a blast,
Dave / Choppersruel
Glad ya found the problem. Like I always say, "Set-up".. Takes some time to do it right and your in the right direction. A tweek here and a tweek there. Hey, you're getting some great flight times with the 1800 & 2200 mAh batteries.
Have a blast,
Dave / Choppersruel
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Jay,
LMAO, I knew you meant Dent and not Bent. The forum isn't a SPELLING contest. LMFAO! And the Srews, I'm impressed that you remembered.. I do ! I may be old but I have a memory like a Chipmunk, Oops, an Elephant I meant. Typo.
I'm loving the Legend 450.
Take care and God Bless ya,
Dave / Choppersrule
LMAO, I knew you meant Dent and not Bent. The forum isn't a SPELLING contest. LMFAO! And the Srews, I'm impressed that you remembered.. I do !
I may be old but I have a memory like a Chipmunk, Oops, an Elephant I meant. Typo.I'm loving the Legend 450.
Take care and God Bless ya,
Dave / Choppersrule
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Jeff-Michael,
I'm so glad that the Logo 10 has worked out for ya. You've seen in my other post that I did get the Legend 450 and a G401B gyro.
I'm running JR DS285MG's on the cyclic and a HXT-900 on the tail. The HXT-900 tail servo is a cheapy, but it is faster than the 285's.
And a Exceed Volcano 40 amp ESC, plus 2200 mAh 20C Zippies.
I'm very pleased / impressed with it's performance. Stable as can be and piros like lightening. I see the loop coming pretty soon, I gotta catch up, LMFAO!
Tell Kelly I said Hi. Hope the business is keeping ya busy, mine sucks right now. LOL!
Later,
Dave / Choppersrule
I'm so glad that the Logo 10 has worked out for ya. You've seen in my other post that I did get the Legend 450 and a G401B gyro.
I'm running JR DS285MG's on the cyclic and a HXT-900 on the tail. The HXT-900 tail servo is a cheapy, but it is faster than the 285's.
And a Exceed Volcano 40 amp ESC, plus 2200 mAh 20C Zippies.
I'm very pleased / impressed with it's performance. Stable as can be and piros like lightening. I see the loop coming pretty soon, I gotta catch up, LMFAO!
Tell Kelly I said Hi. Hope the business is keeping ya busy, mine sucks right now. LOL!
Later,
Dave / Choppersrule
Yeah the Logo has been fun ! I'am thinking of now converting it from 500mm blades to the 550mm ones with the longer boom/conversion kit they have for it. I was tinkering the other night and mounted some other canopy posts to just try out my other spare Trex 500 canopy to see what yellow looks like in the air with her. For my eyes, yellow doesn't cut it any better than the stock white Logo canopy. But it looked cooler in flight !
Glad your liking the Legend 450.... It sounds like a winner. Yeah loop that sucker ! Remember 3 mistakes high though !
I verified this with the Logo yesterday evening as it plunged into the ground coming out of a dive from a loop not done high enough.... Eh ! LMAO.... About $75.00 in damage is all. The Germans do go for durability after all ! Its nice the 500mm woody blades are only $20-$25.00....Whew ! Glad it wasn't the T-450 or the T-500... 
