Okay Gary. Now that's a Truck! Nice! [X(]

Thanks Brad, I want to go the ST way since more economic than OS, I know (DON'T BE CHEAP)
but its a big diference look:
O.S. .61 FX Non-Ringed w/Muffler = $159.00
SuperTigre G-61 ABC w/Muffler = $99.99
I would like to go the ringed way though
Those $60.00 could be 2 servos.

Will wait on your post. I might order mine tomorrow.

You're totally right, $60 is $60, do what you need to do and know that Super Tiger makes some very good and powerful engines! For the money they are some of the best engines around! As long as you keep using your head as well as your wallet for these decisions you can't go wrong! You'll enjoy the plane knowing you did it the way you chose! I wish you nothing but success!! Still, reinforce the landing gear block, it is almost a "must do" upgrade. Drill two holes through from the wing saddle opening to the exhaust ramp just inside the dowels, fill it in with glass and while still wet, lay in two 4-40 rods to hold it all together. Here are some reposts of gear reinforcing jobs (Thank gjeffers and raideron for these pics!!) Hope it helps clear you up on what you need to do here. Enjoy the plane!

Bliss

Thank you very much Blis, when you have to many hobbies at the same time you need to watch every penny
Oh and thanks for the pics.

Hi torombolo... If your sticking with the 2c's another consideration would be the
thunder tiger pro 61bb, and the Tower Hobbies 61... One's less and one is a little
more than the S.T... And who know which would be a better deal... I've heard pro's
and con's, and all will put out some that will be a bit different from the norm.... But
I have seen all at the field.. And IMO, If I was going to order one other than
an OS... It would be the T.T.P slightly before the Tower Hobbies.. than the ST..
Not making a recommendation... Just my thoughts from what I've seen at our field,
but that is forever changing also..

Thanks, raideron thats what I was looking for, peoples opinions and experience, thats the only thing a rockie like me can base a purchase on. Well and a little of personall prefernce. Is the ST not that trusty? compared to Tower Hobbies engine?

Thanks again.

Torombolo,
I have used all three of the engines mentioned, I would rank them in this order. O.S. then Supertiger and then Thundertiger. The Supertiger puts out more power than any Thundertiger I have ever owned. The ST is a steal for the price and performs very well. To me the one thing about the St that I do not like is the huge muffler. If you are trying to save money the ST is the way to go, if you want the best then buy the OS line esp. the FS Surpass series. I have never owned Satio but users always are raving about them. They are so expensive however that I have stayed away due to price alone. If you have not purchased already remember that the .90 ST and the .60 are the same size and weight. Same with the OS and other brands. Might as well take the extra hp that is avaliable. Im not loyal to any of these brands just giving some insight from years of using these items. Im sure everyone has their own opinions and they may vary from mine.
Later,
Brad

torombolo.... This is just what I saw from the above engines at my field, they all ran
great from the get go.... It's just the S.T. "at our field" would be the last one on my
list.... Price/power they are all pretty close.... At our field when members have a
problem, (as I'm sure at all fields) all will try and work out the problem... So it's my
belief, that tuning error is a bit less for the cause of the problems... But there are a
lot of factors that causes problems.... So for "me" what I have seen would be "my"
deciding factor... But as always that can change
In this day and age... I really think all, makes good equipment... It's just for what
ever reason "to some" the rating differ.... As you said, Get all the info you can to
help make your decision... But it's hard not to go with your info if you could see it
put to the test where your flying... And to me beside cost, what people use where
ever you will be flying should also be a thought........ Good luck on your choice!!

Well after putting the 10th flight on the UCD #2, I have to say that I really enjoyed flying my first one quite a bit more than this one. I was really hoping all the extra power of the Saito 100 and all the extra torque and speed from the Hitec 625mg servos would make #2 tons more fun but about the only place that this one is better is going straight up.
I'm really considering putting my Saito 65 on this one, going back to some 3004 servos and just enjoy flying agian.

dont worry about it

it leaves more flying for me

back to you monday

i' tell you what you have missed

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rtn9105... I found my trim and setup a little different when I was using the S-100
and a lot was just using too much power and having a hard time getting the plane
to stall without over controling from to much prop wash... Throttle control was one
of the biggest things that I had to work on, but I really enjoyed the added power
when it was needed, but most my throttle was at or below 1/4..... And after a bit
I really liked having the 100 on there, since weight/flt. times were about the same
but I had all the stick travel when needed.....
But some really enjoy flying as light as possible..
I think the difference between the 72 and 100 is about 3oz and for me on the S82/
S100 was only about an oz, since I had to add weight....
IMO, I think too much is put on hi torque/speed servos... Don't get me wrong they
are nice and needed at times but on a lot of planes and IMO the "Do" 46 is one that
does fine on standard BB servos of 47/50oz's

Work with the planes setup/feel... Once you get it to your liking, I think you will enjoy
the added power......

I thought you said S-72??? I think the S-65 is almost the same weight as the 100????
so weight should not be the problem, just setup for all that added prop wash....

The 65 is the same weight as the 100.
I think your right about the prop wash. It seems to be very jerky and touchy at low throttle, it'll start to drop a wing and before I can even start to correct for that, the other wing with dip down and most of this is at 1/4 or less throttle. I also think the high speed servos on the elevator and ailerons are way more than is needed. On high rates, the plane is almost to wild to keep under control. on my last flight yesterday, I actually had it snap out when I gave it full up elevator on high rates, I never had my first one do anything even close to that.

rtn9105...

I think you are flying too much with your high rates. You need to put a "lot of expo" to give it a much softer feel. You also need to take advantage of dual rates. Fly the plane mostly on the low rates and use the high rates for 3D maneuvers only. Then you will like it much better, after you get used to it. A good place to start is 35% of maximum for your low rates. Then use 40% expo on that to start. On high rates use 60% expo. Only use your high rates when hovering, flat spins, and waterfalls. Rolling circles, KE, and normal flying are all done on the low rates. You'll love the high rates once you do a blender or rising flat spins. They are impossible without the huge deflections and high speed.

You'll get used to it...then you'll never go back.


Thanks
Barry

Gjeffers...

Nice truck. I'll look forward to the weekends, to see your posts. Hope all goes well with that "different job".

Thanks
Barry

rtn9105...

Once you get that bird sorted out the the Saito 100...Wow! You'll love it. Don't give up on it just yet.

Thanks
Barry

Thanks for the advice guys and I'm sure your right, if I give it some more time I'll get more comfortable with it and like the extra power.
Did any of you have to add more right thrust when using the 100?

rtn9105.... Yea, the 100 and bigger prop puts a lot of air on those bigger
surfaces that are now moving a bit faster with holding power a bit stronger..
Think of "Do" #2 as a different plane... Able to do all that you use to do,
but with this one once you get it setup and get the feel for.. You won't go
back!!! Do what barry said about dual rates... I use 20-30 with about 70%
expo on low and 70-85 expo on hi.... And the other is that left stick, not
only keeping it on the low end... But sometimes just breathing on it is
enough

Had a Good morning at the field, even tho I only took the S.T..... I did have
a bit of a scare[:@]... Guess I was having too much fun, and on top of that I
went out a bit further on my apporch for my landing.... And the Too much
fun added up to not enough fuel... (Not that again)... I was wondering if it
was going to make it back to the field after that prop stopped[:'(]... But she
did almost like a "Do".... Well maybe not... But she came in great with no
problem she was about 5' short of the runway, but made a smooth landing
on the dirt... [8D] OK it's time to land.... No.... Land [8D]

If I remember correctly I think I added 2ea. on the two bolts.. I did it a few
times... And my memory is fading, so not really sure what I ended up with...

Raideron...

Glad you got the Showtime down without injury. Sometimes that happens to me also. I get focused on flying, usually a Blender, and forget what I'm doing or how long I've been out. No more fuel. Dang.

Anyways, sounds like you had fun.

Thanks
Barry

Thanks Barry... It almost didn't make it, about 5-10' from the fields fence she
started to drop more while holding/giving up... But the head wind came up just
enough to let her climb up over the fence and she slowly came down nice and
soft on the dirt [sm=tongue.gif]... But let me tell you I was squeezing, while
thoughts of the elev. "thing" ran through my mind... But no problems....
I have not pushed it "to far" for a while now, hope I'm not going back to that
mode again[>:]... And yes it was a great morning.... The member with the F90
was doing his H.A. K.E.'s about a foot up down the runway.. Then when I was up
on the above flt... The peanut gallery, was hedging me on to do the same, but
I did mine a bit higher [].... I'm a big chicken

You still have you plane intact though........[8D]

Hey Rob.... That's what the "Boss" keeps telling me ...
When I got home I put the V2 on the table... Not sure what that means
But it just was too hot, so there it sits... But I also need some upkeep on the
"Do".... The tail wire string finally broke.. Thinking of putting the cable back
on, since it was not my glitch problem.. Or removing altogether,,, I have been
thinking of putting the S100 back on the "Do" And useing the 82 on the profile
That was the original plan, not because of power, but the low and slow was
giving the YS fits and making it load up, leaving no room for correction[:@]

raideron...

You can't go wrong either way.

My weather is cooling down. Perfect for flying but I'm too busy at work right now to fly. It'll have to wait a week or so.

Thanks
Barry

Rob I know this is off subject. Do you still have the Katana, if so than is it the 40 or 70 size? I'm am putting mine together and wondering if the horror stories are true about all the failures. Also trying to decide on power plant.

Also to get back on subject, UCD is all glued and patched ready to Monokote. Plane is going to be a little hevier than before crash. It will be approching 7#s. Mine was heavy to start with at 6 1/2#s.
I see a new UCD on the horizon.


Doug

Hey Doug, Yeah I'm flying the Katana today. Awesome plane. I have the 40 with an OS 46 with a Macs mufflere and have plenty of power. Which one do you have? I haven't had any problems with mine. One thing you'll want to do with the 40 is to put some glue under the balsa sheeting where the wing goes through the fuse. The sheeting tends to disbond there. I just pryed it open a little bit there and squirted so thin CA in. I hear that most of the problems are with the 70 size, wing snapping in half. Rob

Dumb question!!!
Can I use a HS-55 on the throttle?