Hi,

I have pretty much killed my WH V2 Edge 1 1/2 weeks ago, but have a Sukhoi in the garage that I bought (mostly built) from the UK importer. He has built it with the rearward stab location, and I am wondering if I should change it to the forward location? My Edge was by far the best plane I have ever flown, of any size, and lasted me a miraculous 13 months!!! Upright high alpha flight was one thing that I particularly enjoyed with this plane, and I am wondering how the Sukhoi (with rear stab location) will compare to this, and what the pros & cons are between the two locations???

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mike.

Ok, have now read each and every page of this thread over the last couple of days, and almost feel like I know you guys!

Anyway, have concluded that I will stick with the rearward stab location.

I notice with great interest, the use of the A123 LiFe batteries... My question on this one, is I will be using an AR9100 receiver, along with JR DS8911 servos on ailerons & rudder, and probably DS8425's on the elevators. I believe these servos are for 4.8v use, but the Spektrum receivers need more voltage than this. Is it safe to use these A123 batteries without a regulator with these servos?

I am hoping to have my plane built and ready to fly by Tuesday or Wednesday, using the 3W 56i twin from my Edge, but with a KS tuned pipe. It pulls 7400 on cans with 23x8 JXF prop, so should be an interesting combo.

Thanks,

Mike.

I am using a 8911 on the rudder of my H9 Sukhoi and I am running A123 equivalents with no problems. As for the DS8425 according to this website [link=http://www.nitrodude.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=752]http://www.nitrodude.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=752[/link] they are rated for 6V so there should be no problem. I personally think that running the 8911 on ailerons is a bit of a overkill and if the quoted figures are correct for the DS8425 I would use them on the ailerons too. The only place that the 8911 "might" be necessary is for the rudder and even then it would not be used to its full potential. (I am running HiTec 5985 on elevators and ailerons and a HiTec 5955 on the rudder)

Cheers
Pupmeister

PS for the Americans on this thread the JR8911 is the equivalent to the 8711, unfortunately I do not know what the DS8425 equivalent is.

Mike_T5

I've been to Cardiff about 5-6 times for business before retiring from 3M. I do prefer the sunny weather here in southern Florida. I'm using a single A123 in my Sukhoi that supplies power to both the ignition and AR9000 receiver without any problems. Hitec 5985's all around. Regarding the position of the stabilizer, I just moved mine to the forward position and flew it for the first time today. Tom recommended this a couple of posts back and it seems to have helped me with a wing rocking issue, but I will have to fly it more to reach a final conclusion. I also followed the Tired Old Man's recommend to ease up on the ailerons.

You will enjoy the plane, I've been learning a lot flying it.

Chuck

Hi,

@ Pupmeister... I think that the 8911 is just a metal cased version of the 8711? I only bought them as I thought they were top of the range, and had a friend in Japan visit in July, so he brought them with him. But, I agree that they are an overkill, and that 8425's all round would have been plenty. But, hey ho, thats the way it goes!

Chuck... I guess you mean a pack of two A123 batteries (6.6v)? Impressive that you can run everything from that!!! Reassuring too. As for the Sukhoi... I think this is just about the sexiest thing out there!!! I also have an EF 88.5" Extra in the garage that will be ready soon (also powered by 3W 56i B2 twin), but I much prefer the Sukhoi! I have to say that the Sukhoi has big boots to fill, as I absolutely loved my V2 Edge... simply amazing plane, and the only reason I crashed it so often, is that it was soooo much fun, and such a confidence builder that I kept pushing it too hard doing silly things!!! I am planning to maiden the Sukhoi by Thursday! As for the wing rock... High alpha (harrier) flight is my fave thing, and I am guessing that it will be ok, even with the rear stab position.

Fingers crossed!

Mike.

Mike,

"I guess you mean a pack of two A123 batteries (6.6v)? " That is correct.

Chuck

I am getting more and more flights on my "Sukhi" and boy, do I love this airplane. It's a dream to fly. I totally forget to fly my also brand new 35% Sukhoi. This plane with the DL-50 is a great combo. I know, Tom, that's not what you want to hear, but for obvios reasons I opted for the DL and not your TOC. I am certain the TOC is just as good a motor, but for me it didn't have as much feed back info as the DL. Another reason was I didn't want to spend extra money to make it perform as strong as the DL or the DA. Anyway we are commenting on an airplane here and not a motor. And this airplane is top notch in all aspects.

Now let me see, wings that dont fit the fuse, landing gear mounting holes that dont matchup, wing tube an inch too long, uncoated pull pull cable ( I am glad I am using spektrum) you get all of this pleasure for a mere $499. You guys must be kidding. The first and last of these for me. Oh, and dont give that business that the plane is for the "experienced modeler"because I am.

I've been using coated and uncoated pull pull cables for years with 72mHz, no interfrence, so what's the problem? If I go out and order a carbon wing tube for a $1,700.00 Comp Arf I have to trim it, so what's the problem?

The only real complaint I can see here is the wing not fitting and the landing gear mounting holes, but mine matched up just fine when I trimmed the gear opening about 3/16". Did you make mention of the wing fit to Tom? If not I'm sure nothing was ever done about it. If you did I'd be surprised if nothing was done about it.

Thanks for the responses Pupmeister, and Chuck... just what I needed to hear, and will enable to save a little weight. I have given my Edge V2 to a fellow flyer (young, and very talented, but no money!), so he will resurrect it (new rudder, and repair LG mount again) and get her in the air again. The Edge, was my fourth WH (had two 84" Extras, killed both), and simply incredible, and incredibly tough... so the Sukhoi has some big expectations to live up to!!! If she doesn't, I will go out and buy another V2 Edge, as to date, it's simply the nicest plane I've flown! I also have an EF 88.5" Extra that will be finished soon, so i will be interesting how they compare. Some of my fellow flyers seem to think the EF one will be better, but frankly, I am hedging my bets on the Sukhoi, which is why I am now so desperate to get her airbourne! Hopefully, News Year's Day will be maiden day!

We guys are not kidding. First off, find another plane (except Nitro Plane) to match this price. Secondly, do yo really think everything in life is perfect? These two minor issues you mentioned are really minor. I built two of the small Sukhois and only one had the wing roots too long for the pockets- BFD My holes for the LG lined up. Go buy an EF or Aeroworks kit for much more and see if you get a flawless kit. I know you won't.

Hey JPAL, keep looking you might have missed a few things.

The EF Yak will fly slower than the Sukhoi but it won't fly better. The Suk does things the EF can't even try. I've flown both. Be sure to check the tail incidences on that EF. Every one has been wrong.

Virginian

There are other planes out there comparable priced, Aero-Works for one and it comes with a complete hardware package. All I am saying is that when there is know problem with a product the manufacuturer or distributor should address it before the sale, no matter how small it may seem. I dont look for price but rather quality and ease of assembly when I purchase an airplane. I sure this is a fine airplane and I hope it flys as well as my QQ Yak

JPAL, I was just as PO'ed when I came across problems too, but trust me spend a little time straightening them out and you'll love the plane later. It may take time but be patient it's worth it. It does fly great, especially at a crawl.

jpal- Dude- That sucks that everything you got in the box was screwed up- I hate to hear that, as Tom has EARNED my business- he is a straight forward, stand up guy that has PROVEN that he will stand behind his product- Like the sleepy old guy said, I would be surprised if you brough ALL of these problems to his attention, and he didn't offer to do anything-

Mine went together beautifully- 50cc Suk, and 50cc Extra 300... Guess 1 slipped by QC...

Hi Tired Old Man... The EF plane I have, is the Extra, not the Edge. I still feel the Sukhoi will be better than this though. Thanks for the advice about incidences, I'll check them all.

Re problems with WH QC... I now feel compelled to comment that if someone has issues with I product (my three previous WH planes have been fine), they should go back to the supplier and get everything sorted, rather than slating the product in the public domain. If nothing gets done about it, then you can start *****in' publicly.

Happy New Year,
I had an unfortunate landing with My Sukhoi in October (my fault) and just ordered a new kit to replace it. I didn't think twice about it, based on the product, customer service,and that this plane just kicks butt , and is based on a full scale aircraft.
Now I have to wait until next year to build it.
Go to, airliners.net and search the tail No# G-SIID there are some great photos of the full size plane in a couple different graphics configurations. If you search for Will Curtis (Pilot) you can also find some amazing video of this plane in action.

Obee

Before you buy any of WH kits you can down load the corresponding manuals and study them before yo buy a particular plane. In there you will be advised what kind of imperfections you may find. Tom tells you upfront that he has no control over the quality of every kit that he receives. Afterall human beings assemble those kits iin assembly lines and mistakes can and do happen. But if you run into any difficulty he will stand behind his products and work with you to resolve it. My experience with WH is nothing but positive and I am very happy with Tom's airplanes.

I'll second that! A real pleasure to deal with. I was so happy with my 35% Extra I'm going to order the 88" Edge from him.

First thing I would like to thank everyone here for sharing your wealth of knowledge! I just purchased my 50cc Sukhoi last weekend. I love this plane so far. I just got her together and taxied around the yard this evening. What a blast!! This is my first gasser and cannot wait to get out to the field this weekend! Got to love this Texas weather! Wildhare kits are top notch and Tom has been a pleasure to deal with. Ill post with info on the maiden flight.

Which motor are you running in your Sukhi? Post some pictures if you can.

I went with the red one with Honda graphics. I put the TOC 53 in it. I also put Toms upgrade kit on it as well. Runs like a champ so far!

A very well made engine!

Ok, so I decide to maiden this thing today. Ill start by saying it was to windy but I just had to fly this thing. I did have a pretty major problem however. Ill preface this by telling yall how I set the plane up. I set the control throws up exactly how the instructions advised. I balanced (or thought I had balanced) the plane right over the wing tube. Ok, for the flight. I took off and immediately noticed the plane was almost impossible to control in a vertical axis. The elevator on low rates was so sensitive the i was moving the stick about 1/32 of an inch and would make the plane almost loop. The control surfaces we moving about 2 degrees in each direction. That leads me to believe that my weight and balance is WAY off! I fought with her through a half a tank of fuel or so to set up for what I was certain was going to be a crash landing. Long story short... I landed pretty hard and only broke a landing gear mount...whew.... My question is, how do yall balance your planes? What procedure do yall use? I think mine was clearly wrong.

P.S. I am in no way bad mouthing this kit. Its clearly builder error. Tom at Wildhare has been a pleasure to work with! The plane is simply stunning in the air and on the ground!